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Re: BURGOYNE Family of Plymouth (Ancestors of Cleopatra Cecilia Burgoyne, b. 1844)
« Reply #81 on: Wednesday 09 December 15 05:39 GMT (UK) »
If anybody is still checking this thread - you may find the following interesting:



If anybody is still checking this thread, I found the notice in the Ballarat Courier 23/07/1874:


"BIRTHS, MARRIAGES, AND DEATHS.

MARRIAGE. BURGOYNE - REYNOLDS. — On the 29th June, at Mount Perry, Queensland, by the Rev. W. B. Mather at the residence of the bride's father, John F. Burgoyne, M.D., only son of the late John Burgoyne, Esq, Royal Engineer Department, Woolwich, to Edith Mary, eldest daughter of W. H. Reynolds, Esq, general manager of the Mount Perry Copper Company's works, and formerly manager of the Great (Refelack???) Mines, Cornwall. West Briton please copy."

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article192284784


 

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Re: BURGOYNE Family of Plymouth (Ancestors of Cleopatra Cecilia Burgoyne, b. 1844)
« Reply #82 on: Tuesday 11 February 20 21:48 GMT (UK) »
Hi Burgoyne descendants
I don't know if this thread is still active. I am the great granddaughter of John Thomas Burgoyne (the doctor is Australia)and from my brief reading of these messages, the (brother?)of Cleopatra Burgoyne. I provided some of the info for Grant's summary a few years ago.

I have recently started to look into the family again and wonder if anyone knows if there is a link with Sir John Fox Burgoyne (illegitimate son of the famous John Burgoyne who is buried in Westminster Abbey). His mother was an opera singer named Susan Caulfield I think. They had 4 can together after John Burgoyne's 1st wife died. Although illegitimate Sir John Fox was educated at Eton etc etc so someone paid for all that!! His father I guess. I have a marriage notice from the Belfast Newspaper concerning the marriage of John Thomas Burgoyne and Cleo's sister. In it there is mention of Sir John Fox Burgoyne that claims he is her great uncle.

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Re: BURGOYNE Family of Plymouth (Ancestors of Cleopatra Cecilia Burgoyne, b. 1844)
« Reply #83 on: Wednesday 12 February 20 12:34 GMT (UK) »
Is that you C A?  Super to hear from you!!!!  Hope you've been well! 

Lovely to get a notification out of the blue about more action on this long-dormant thread!

It's funny: I haven't done much at all in the family history space for several years, let alone looking into the Burgoyne family. Coincidentally yesterday I had a moment to turn my attention to Hardy family - Dorothy Maddick Burgoyne's family - with some success. 

Speaking of Dorothy Maddick Hardy - her husband William Burgoyne (born Kingsbridge, Devon in 1783) was one of two known sons of another William Burgoyne (born Blackawton, Devon 1747).

For Field Marshal Sir John Fox Burgoyne to be a great uncle of Maria Theresa Burgoyne, I think he would need to be a sibling of Maria's grandfather.

William Burgoyne (born 1783), who married Dorothy Maddick Hardy, was Maria's grandfather.

William Burgoyne's other brother was Andrew Randall Burgoyne (born Kingsbridge 1798).

Field Marshal Sir John Fox Burgoyne was born in 1782. 

(I'm totally discounting the possibility that Sir John Fox Burgoyne's mum Susan Caulfield was a Burgoyne or that her affair was with one of our Devon Burgoynes rather than General Burgoyne, because it seems very remote!  And also I have no Caulfields or Burnestones showing up in my DNA martches!!!!!)

So I can't see Maria's story being true, myself. But I have been known to get a bit bamboozled with how these relationships work, and exactly what constitutes a "great uncle" (could it be a great-great uncle, or once removed or something?). I'll happily let others school me if so :)

I do think there may have been a Burgoyne family tendency to claim high-born kin. My Burgoynes certainly have form in that area. Ancestral folklore goes that our Irish-based Spencers are allegedly blue bloods who are related somehow to Winston Churchill (could be true but it's got to be an incredibly tangential relationship if so, and although it was a commonly voiced claim, there is the elephantine absence of evidence in the room). I don't know why they couldn't be satisfied with having an ancestor who brought gaslight to Holywood and built the Married Soldiers' Quarters at Dundalk. Let alone a Professor of Electro-Medicine and Therapeutics.  ;D

While you are here .... could we please speak somewhere offline about the possibility of me securing a copy of key pages from the Burgoyne family bible?  I would love to have another copy somewhere for posterity :)

I am sorry i couldn't help snare that Fox! 

Please stay in touch, and all the very best!  :)

Grant
Cornwall/Devon: Mitchell, Reynolds, Pryor, Sampson, Mathews, Tippett, Trewela, Retallack, Allen, Bennetts, Chenoweth, Gummow, Adams, Pearce, Rogers, Davies, Burgoyne, Giles
SE Eng: Limeburner, Stephens, Langmead, Osbaldeston, West, Restieaux, Brooker, Puxty, Edwards, Watson, Fellowes
Bucks/Beds: Faulkner
Dorset/Hants: Boyt, Monckton, Read, Lovick, Witherington
Salop/Glos: Reynolds, Russell
Somerset: Pitt
NSW: Sadler
Eire: McCarrick, Gregory, Spencer, Colbert
NI: McGlone, Hagan
Scotland: Fraser

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Re: BURGOYNE Family of Plymouth (Ancestors of Cleopatra Cecilia Burgoyne, b. 1844)
« Reply #84 on: Thursday 13 February 20 00:29 GMT (UK) »
Hi Grant (Limeburner Mitchell)

Happy to get a copy of the key pages from the family bible to you. My knowledge of tech is basic. Is there a way to use this site to email me privately? If not we can work out something else.

The online name is pretty drastic but all the others I tried were taken and it does represent John Thomas in a way.
Colleen (Intemperance)


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Re: BURGOYNE Family of Plymouth (Ancestors of Cleopatra Cecilia Burgoyne, b. 1844)
« Reply #85 on: Monday 18 July 22 16:14 BST (UK) »
I have just joined rootschat. I am a descendant of Frederick William Burgoyne who arrived in Australia in 1858. His parents were Frederick BURGOYNE and Mary COURTIS/CURTIS. Frederick William Burgoyne was born 14 July 1843 in Plymouth, Devon, England. I listened to many recollections from my grandmother who was his granddaughter. The following was an obituary printed in a local newspaper;

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/266610150?searchTerm=Frederick%20burgoyne#


The Elmore Standard, Saturday 23rd June 1917

ANOTHER PIONEER PASSES.
MR. F. W. BURGOYNE.

The news of the passing of another
old district resident in the person of
Mr Frederick William Burgoyne, of
Michie st., Elmore, will be received
with regret by a large circle of friends
The deceased gentleman was a man
of many parts, and despite the fact
that he was for some years the victim
of failing health took a keen interest
in district public matters. Besides
being engaged in various official
capacities during his residence at
Runnymede when local Parliamen-
tary contests were on the tapis, the
late Mr Burgoyne was a trustee of
the Mt. Pleasant Creek Church, then
belonging to the Bible Christian
connection, and he also took
a keen interest in the destinies
of the Elmore A. and P. Association,
and held the position of Vice-president
for several terms.
The late Mr Burgoyne was born
at Plymouth, County Devon, England,
in 1843, and had consequently
reached the fine old age of 74 years.
He arrived in Melbourne in the year
1858, and followed various callings
form shipping clerk to miner. After
a spell of the gold fever deceased
answered to the lure of the land, se-
lecting at Runnymede in 1871. Then
the call of the gold quest became too
strong for him to resist, hence he
again pursued the phantom Fortune
at the Mt. Brown diggings, in New
South Wales, after which he was
engaged on Government contracts
in the back blocks of the sister State,
and in Queensland where he did fine
pioneering work in the days when
the world was wide ! Owing to ill-
health deceased returned to Victoria,
and to Runnymede where he again
made his home, and added to his
versatility by establishing the wellknown
" Magna Charta" vineyard
and orchard. Here he and his
family resided for some years. The
disposal of his interests at Runny-
mede was decided on owing to a
breakdown in health, whereupon a
year's residence at Echuca resulted,
after which deceased resided at El-
more till his demise which took place
at his residence on Tuesday, 20th
inst., at 4.20 p.m.
The late Mr Burgoyne was a well-
read and respected citizen. He was
engaged for a number of years as
valuer and rate collector in the
Waranga Shire where he stood
sponsor for a number of the first
valuations. As a Free Mason, he
took a keen interest in the craft as
member of St. John's Lodge, Rochester.
Like other patriotic families of the
district, the Burgoyne family is well
represented at the front, three sons
of the deceased gentleman being in
khaki, two of whom are now serving
in the Heavy Field Artillery at the
front.
Much sympathy is expressed for
the relatives in their sad loss. A
widow and seven sons and one
daughter, as follows, lament the loss
of a kind husband and parent, viz.:
—Messrs Charles Burgoyne (Wil-
liamstown), Fred (Avenel), Harry
(Omeo), Lionel (Elmore, a new re-
cruit for active service at the front),
Thomas (Police Station, Raywood),
Walter and Roy (at the front), and
Miss Burgoyne (Raywood).
‘Tis thus the ranks of our district
pioneers are being depleted by the
grim, relentless Reaper, till few of
the district stouthearted men and
women who sought fortune and a
home amidst the wilds and discom-
forts of the virgin bush and oldtime
wide, wild ways remain. But the
old indomitable pride of race and
relentlessness of purpose still survive
in their kith and kin, as witness the
bravehearts of their fibre who have
answered to the Empire's call and
are now in the sacrifices incidental
to the awful fighting now in progress
on the battlefields of Europe. Who
dares say that they have lived in
vain—-the sires and mothers of Aus-
ralia’s gallants who have minted
Australia's fame, and are "doing
their bit" to put the world on a sure,
sound basis of peace again ?
The funeral to the Runnymede
Cemetery on Thursday afternoon
was largely attended. The service
at the grave was read by the Rev.
H. W. R. Topp, assisted by Mr. F.
L- Wyman. The pall-bearers were
Messrs. C., L., and T. Burgoyne,
and Mr. S. Andrews. Messrs.
Humphris Bros, carried out the
funeral arrangements.

My name is Diane and I hope to visit Plymouth (and other ancestral homes) in the next few years.

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Re: BURGOYNE Family of Plymouth (Ancestors of Cleopatra Cecilia Burgoyne, b. 1844)
« Reply #86 on: Thursday 17 November 22 18:04 GMT (UK) »
I came across a stray baptismal entry in Irish records that pertain to this thread.

Glendermott Church of Ireland Co Derry
Born 11 Feb 1847 baptised 19 March 1847 Thomas Charles Burgoyne son of John Burgoyne, engineer residing Rossdowney & Susan Giles.

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Re: BURGOYNE Family of Plymouth (Ancestors of Cleopatra Cecilia Burgoyne, b. 1844)
« Reply #87 on: Monday 20 November 23 04:21 GMT (UK) »
The late June trend continues in the Doctors life (or after-life as the case may be) . . . .

The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954)  Thu 29 Jun 1933  Page 8   Family Notices
"BURGOYNE.-June 27, 1933, at 153 Old Canterbury-road, Dulwich Hill, Editha Marie, relict of the
late J. T. Burgoyne, M.D., aged 80 years."
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/16963618
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29 Jun 1849: Doctor John Thomas Burgoyne, Born in Newbridge, Kildare, Eire,
29 Jun 1874: Marries Editha Marie Reynolds, aged 21, in Mount Perry, Queensland
29 Jun 1898: On his 49th birthday, died at Maryborough Hospital, Queensland
27 Jun 1933: Editha Marie Burgoyne dies, aged 80

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