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Re: Frederick David Sudds Thanet?
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 25 July 09 14:31 BST (UK) »
Congrats Shane :)
Looks like Hester/Esther will only be found unmarried in 1861 Census.

She appears to be Reg. as Esther KIRBY, March 1852, Blean, 2a 509

And married as Hester KIRBY, December 1870, Thanet, 2a 1320

Trish

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Re: Frederick David Sudds Thanet?
« Reply #19 on: Saturday 25 July 09 14:54 BST (UK) »
Hi Shane

http://extranet3.kent.gov.uk/sp/rois/marriagesearch.cfm is good for double checking post 1837 marriages in this area of Kent.  If you enter Jessie and the two prospective husbands separately you will find that only one of them will have the exact same reference as Jessie - George ;)

It looks as though he may have died and Jessie remarried in 1907

Casalguidi :)
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Re: Frederick David Sudds Thanet?
« Reply #20 on: Saturday 25 July 09 15:00 BST (UK) »
Think this is her, reg district of area is Blean.

1861 Census
RG9/522/117/26
18 Ruttington Lane
St Gregorys, Canterbury, Kent

William KIRBY, 46, head, mar, weaver, Whistable, Kent
Ester, 38, wife, mar, char woman, Chislet, Kent
Elizabeth, 15, daug, dressmaker
Albert, 13,
Stephen, 11
ESTER, 9
Sarah, 7
Edward, 5
John, 3
Thomas, 8mths       All children born Canterbury, Kent


1851 Census William and Ester are married, still at same address, but there are other children that must have left home by 1861 Census.
It is possible going by their age that Ester is a second wife for William. This will not affect your line though.

1851 Census
HO107/1625/57/17
18 New Ruttington Lane
St Gregory, Canterbury, Kent

William KIRBY, 38, head, mar,
Ester, 28, wife, hawker of fish, Chislet
William, 14, son, unm, hawker of fish, Walmer, Kent
Richard, 10, son, Canterbury
Mary Ann, 7, daug, Canterbury
+ Elizabeth 4, Albert 6, Stephen 1.

So in 1841 need to look in Walmer maybe and possibly with another wife ;)
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Re: Frederick David Sudds Thanet?
« Reply #21 on: Saturday 25 July 09 15:30 BST (UK) »
Marriage;

William KIRBY
December 1845
Canterbury 5 146
On same page,  Esther CULLEN

Just noticed there is a John Cullen, fisherman, as next door neighbour in 1851.

Having trouble finding them in 1841 ::)
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Re: Frederick David Sudds Thanet?
« Reply #22 on: Saturday 25 July 09 16:05 BST (UK) »
Only Esther Cullen I can find;

1841 Census
HO107/469/4/Preston by Wingham

Thomas, 40, ag lab
Elles, 40
ESTHER, 20
William, 15, ag lab
Sarah, 4
All born in County

EDIT, apparently this image is incorrectly indexed as Casalguidi  :)has kindly pointed out to me. The actual image says Parish of Ramsgate.

EDIT;
Just realised I made a mistake re Hester/Esther birth/mar reg and have amended.

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Re: Frederick David Sudds Thanet?
« Reply #23 on: Saturday 25 July 09 16:20 BST (UK) »
If it helps, I can confirm this marriage:
2nd Nov 1845  St Mary Northgate, Canterbury.
Esther CULLEN to William KIRBY

Betty


Marriage;

William KIRBY
December 1845
Canterbury 5 146
On same page,  Esther CULLEN

Just noticed there is a John Cullen, fisherman, as next door neighbour in 1851.

Having trouble finding them in 1841 ::)
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KENT:
Stutely - Wittersham & Stone<br />Padgham - Wittersham<br />Wanstall - Northbourne<br />Taylor - Ringwould & Ash<br />Skinner - Deal<br />Bushell - Walmer<br />Spain - Walmer
Also
Schloss - Poland, Nottingham, Massachusetts & New Zealand.
Cohen - Birmingham<br /><br /><br />"Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.

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Re: Frederick David Sudds Thanet?
« Reply #24 on: Saturday 25 July 09 16:49 BST (UK) »
Thank you Betty :)

Do you have access to an earlier possible marriage for William, probably just before William jnr  abt 1837 is born?

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Re: Frederick David Sudds Thanet?
« Reply #25 on: Saturday 25 July 09 18:19 BST (UK) »
Hi Trish

Afraid not, the only other marriage in Canterbury for a William KIRBY was in 1752.

Betty
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KENT:
Stutely - Wittersham & Stone<br />Padgham - Wittersham<br />Wanstall - Northbourne<br />Taylor - Ringwould & Ash<br />Skinner - Deal<br />Bushell - Walmer<br />Spain - Walmer
Also
Schloss - Poland, Nottingham, Massachusetts & New Zealand.
Cohen - Birmingham<br /><br /><br />"Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.

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Re: Frederick David Sudds Thanet?
« Reply #26 on: Saturday 25 July 09 22:31 BST (UK) »
Thank you all for your time,
Also on the preston nr wingham thats actually ramgate 1841 is jessies grandad joseph and gt grand parents,
john sudds 60 fisherman
elizabeth 55
joseph 18
emma 15
residing at newcastle hill parish of ramsgate.
Thanks again, shane.
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