Frederick David Sudds Thanet?

[trish1120]

Hi Shane,

I think the birth cert of Lilian is a must
What is Mary. J's age in 1911 Census ?

Trish

[shaneooo]

Hi Trish, mary is 36 on 1911.
thanks. shane.

[shaneooo]

It could be the same mary j as in the 1891 census only 3 years out.
looks like the birth cert is a must now. Ive recenly made contact with some sudds family through this site so i'll ask them in the mean time. The only thing bugging me is why she listed f d sudds as father (deceaced) on marriage cert if this was not the case?.
thanks.shane.

[trish1120]

Hi Shane,

The birth cert hopefully will reveal all
It was not unusaul for illegitimate people to put a fake Fathers name on their marrige cert.

Cheers,
Trish

[FAVTED]

Hi Shane,

 My father (b 1913) lived with his ' gran' Mary Sudds who married George Ansell in Faversham. He talked of George's brother ' Bob' Ansell also living there.

I still know some of the family of Lilian Sudds and Richard (Dick) Pennell. My dad talked of Lilian as a cousin.
 
I think the Frederick Sudds shown as ' grand son' on the 1891 census - residing at Florence Terrace Ramsgate - may be my grandfather but I would say he was aged 1 at this time and not 10 as shown.....we are still searching this out.

Lilian's birth cert should certainly help.

Cheers
Fred

[trish1120]

Welcome Fred

Hopefully this all can be sorted out !

Cheers,
Trish

[casalguidi]

Hi Fred

Welcome to Rootschat

I would say that the Frederick (grandson) in the 1891 census is definitely a baby ie. it says 1 ..... month(s) thus 1 or 4 or 11 months would be my guess

Casalguidi

[shaneooo]

Hi Fred, nice to hear from you, ive still not ordered lillians birth certificate yet, but i believe that the frederick david sudds mentioned on her marriage certificate as father is not correct, hopefully i will order it over the weekend if i get time. I will post the results when they come,
many thanks, good health,
shane.

[shaneooo]

Hi everyone, just got lillians birth today, born 5 oct 1901 minster union workhouse thanet, mother Jessie Florence Sudds ( mary j sister) dom servent of12 portland court ramsgate, father not mentioned, informent jessie of union workhouse minster.
So as thought illegitemate.
i have found a jessie marriage in 1902 to either george debling or james marshall. Her parents are john joseph sudds born hull 1849 and hester kirby born 1850 canterbury, i have both back to 1871 on censuses and john in 1851 but nothing on hester (esther) before she married,
Again many thanks for your help.
 Kushti Bokt, shane.