Thomas Smith BROWN, Kensington

[Selina Agnes]

Has anyone any information on Thomas Smith BROWN born Kensington 1841, father Thomas, grandfather Edmund BROWN of Devon?

Selina Agnes

[Mum44]

hello Selina 

I'm not sure what specific information you need   

Here's the family in 1851, as a starter   

1851
HO107.  P. 1883  Fol. 159  Pg. 7

Meavy Village, Devon

BROWN
Edmund  Head  M  54  Smith  B. Lamerton, Devon
Peggy H  Wife  M  52              B. Plympton St Mary, Devon
John  Son  M  26            ~     
Henry  Son  Un  22        ~
William  Son  Un  21      ~
Jonathan  Son  17         ~
Elizabeth  Dau  15
Louisa  Dau  13
Richard  Son  11    Scholar
Edwin  Son  7          ~
Thomas S  Grand son  9   Scholar  B.  Kensington, Somerset, London (    )
John  Grandson  5              ~         B. Shepston, Devon
Mary Congden  grandmother  Wid  91  B.  Plympton St Mary, Devon

all others born Meavy.

Can you be a little more specific about what you need  and what you already know

[Selina Agnes]

Thank you Mum44. I am hoping to find info on Thomas Smith BROWN's birth in Kensington in 1841 and also info on his father Thomas (and with luck, on his mother). I have a gap between the fact that he was born in Kensington, although only the year and place,  and that he was with his grandparents in Devon in 1851.

I know that he married a Jersey woman, Emily Mary Toury, and was living in St Brelade, Jersey in 1871 with a one year old daughter. They later moved to Guernsey.
Selina Agnes

[Mum44]

This is Thomas' birth registration:

Thomas Smith Brown  Q4. 1841 Kensington Vol. 3  Pg. 268

Too late for the 1841 census 

If you get that certificate it would give both parents' names, of course.

I have found him in 1861  -  do you want that record ?

[Selina Agnes]

Yes please to the 1861 record, Mum44 - and how do I go about getting the birth certificate from there?

[Mum44]

Log on here - register free  -  fill in the details - pay £7.00 and there you are 

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

Dont put in any details other than his name, quarter and date, district , volume and page number - which I gave above    When it asks do you have the gro reference - yes, you do - those are the vol and page 

Here is the 1861

1861
RG9. P. 1463  Fol. 42  Pg. 9

Higher Woodley, Lamerton, Devon

Arthur Stanbury  Head  M  41  Farmer of 41 acres  B.  Devon, Sydenham Damerell
Peggy Stanbury  Wife  M  37                 B.  Devon, Meavy
Jane Stanbury  Dau  11  Scholar           B.  Devon, Lamerton
John Brown Uncle  Wid  68  Retired Farmer  B.  Devon, Bulkworthy
Thomas S Brown  Son-in-law Un 19  Farm servant B.  Middlesex, London
Eliza Brown  Servant  Un  28  House servant  B.  Devon, Meavy
Rosina Brown  Neice  2                                    B. Devon, Lamerton

These relationships are very confusing 

Son-in-law was often used to denote step-son;  it therefore seems possible that Peggy was Thomas Smith Brown's mother 

This makes getting that certificate even more important   

The Eliza aged 28 is probably Eliza aged 8 in 1841 - another of Edmund's daughters, not at home in 1851.  I suspect Rosina is her daughter  -  neice to Arthur and Peggy. 

More on Peggy next post 

[Selina Agnes]

Thank you very much, Mum44. Very useful information and such a help!

[Mum44]

This is the family in 1851

1851
HO107. P. 1884  Fol 121  Pg. 17

Higher Woodley, Lamerton, Devon

Arthur Stanbury  Head  M  31  Farmer of 42 acres  B.  South Sydenham, Devon
Peggy Stanbury  Wife  M  27                                   B. Meavy, Devon
John Brown Stanbury  Son  4                                  B. Lamerton, Devon
Jane Ann Stanbury  Dau  1                                      B. Lamerton, Devon
John Brown  Wife's Uncle  Wid  50  retired farmer   B.  Bulkworthy, Devon
Eliza Brown  Servant  Un  19  House servant          B. Meavy, Devon

Arthur Stanbury married Q2. 1846 Stoke Damerel.  Peggy Brown also on the page.

Here is the Eliza from 1841 census  

The puzzling thing here is John Brown being wife's uncle      

John Brown Stanbury died Q2. 1857 Tavistock district.

Maybe Peggy was also a Brown before she married Thomas' father     Why else would she have an Uncle who was a Brown, and name a son with the Brown middle name  -  usually that was the mother's maiden name  

Please come back when you get the certificate and tell us what it says - I'm curious now  

ADDED :  please do not put Thomas' father on the certificate request  -  it is just possible that Peggy was not married before, and putting the father on will result in you not getting the certificate, if that is the case 

[Selina Agnes]

Thanks for all this. Will let you know when I receive the certificate. What a puzzle!