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Re: Lt Col Andrew McDowall (McDouall) of Logan
« Reply #18 on: Friday 10 January 20 21:09 GMT (UK) »
Evening
Thanks for your reply.
My ancestry is London based up to GGG grandfather Edward born 1794.

We think his father Edward was born in Galloway c 1765, although this has been told to me by the person who has researched the McDoualls for very many years, and he and his wife lived in London when their children were born . His wife Elizabeth Long.

This is where it becomes difficult.  It seems Alexander McDouall father to Edward 1765 was born in London.  We now need to find his marriage to Elisabeth MC William and his mother and father, who the researcher thinks is Col Andrew McDouall.

I am due to visit Galloway to continue the search for the link.
One thing is, we pronounce the name to rhyme with fool and not owl, which is a distinction that is important.😊

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Re: Lt Col Andrew McDowall (McDouall) of Logan
« Reply #19 on: Friday 10 January 20 21:43 GMT (UK) »
To avoid duplicating here's a previous thread about your family
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=405376.9

May I ask what makes you think Edward Snr was from Scotland?

The reason I ask is that it was a short trip by sea from Galloway to Ireland and a lot of McDowalls (yes - I know the way it is said is different, but even by 1800 the spelling wasn't always consistent and some records would assume there was a g missing and add it) settled in Ireland over the centuries.

Another thing to consider is that the forename Uchred/Uthred wasn't uncommon in Galloway - I think it's a variant of Edward.

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Re: Lt Col Andrew McDowall (McDouall) of Logan
« Reply #20 on: Friday 10 January 20 22:29 GMT (UK) »
Yes thanks for that.  I had seen this thread and I do know the people.  One is a cousin and in fact what happened to his father has recently been resolved.
I don't know if Edward Senior was from Galloway.  That was told to me by the person who has been researching the family, what proof there is, she has, I am just offering to do the research in Galloway. 

In fact, another member of my family says she has researched back to the Freugh line.  So you see, until either researcher gives me proof, all I can do is take their guidance as they have done their research.
 I have been asked to look for certain people.  I am asking questions, as it is pretty complicated. 
That thread shows Edward, 1794 had parents Edward and Elizabeth.  It gets pretty difficult when everyone has the same name 😊 But it does concur with the research, however it doesn't say that he was born in Galloway 🤭
I didn't know that Uchred  was maybe a varient of Edward, anglicised I assume.
Before I go across to Galloway I am waiting for confirmation of a few things.  As I am being asked ref a Col Andrews McD, I thought I would ask questions about the Lt Col and his children to see if the time line is correct for any if my line being illegitimate.  But looking, perhaps not.  I have seen Col Andrew McDouall was father of an illegitimate child with Jean McWilliam, baptised Kirkmaiden 10August 1784.  The McWiilliam name is one I've been asked to find with Col Andrew  McD but not Jean
Thanks for your interest and comments, much appreciated
Oh yes, the pronunciation.  I was speaking to a Mr Mc Colm in Drummore in 1999 when I was first looking for my family's clan.  He was emphatic that our pronunciation was correct and not to be swayed otherwise 😅. And yes, over the years people have misspelled, mispronounced my name on so many occasions ha ha. 

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Re: Lt Col Andrew McDowall (McDouall) of Logan
« Reply #21 on: Friday 10 January 20 23:01 GMT (UK) »
The Logan lines and Freugh lines are separate lineages that don't connect patrilinearly within the past 500 years.

If you have a male relative descended down his patrilineal line from Edward McDouall you could ask them whether they'd do a Y-DNA test.  There were McDoualls and McDowalls all over Galloway so I think it will be difficult to make a link from someone born in London in the 1790s back to a specific family in Scotland.

The Logan line is:
Robert McDouall of Logan and Sarah Shaw (n 1678) had three sons, John, Andrew and Patrick.

The eldest son John McDouall of Logan m Ann Johnstone about 1710. Their son John McDouall of Logan married Helen Buchan, who were the parents of Lt Col Andrew McDouall who died in 1834.  The article in The Scottish Genealogist early last year is about two of his natural born daughters Helen (born 1794, daughter of Peggy Kennedy) and particularly Mary (born 1784, daughter of Jean McWilliam) and her descendants, including John McDouall Stuart the Australian explorer.  Andrew also had several children with Mary Russell (his future wife) including James McDouall of Logan who was born in 1796 (before the marriage of his parents in 1825).  He was later legitimised by his parents' marriage and his father made it clear that James was his heir, not the younger children.

The second son of Robt McDouall and Sarah Shaw was Andrew McDouall (Lord Bankton) who died in Edinburgh and his tomb is at Greyfriars.

The third son of Robt McDouall and Sarah Shaw was Patrick McDouall of Culgroat.  He had a son John but the male line died out and Culgroat passed to the family of his eldest brother John.


This is an earlier thread about Edward McDouall, at which stage it appears that links to McDouall of Logan or McDouall of Freugh were speculative not proven.  Perhaps there have been subsequent developments.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=451312.msg3411702#msg3411702



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Re: Lt Col Andrew McDowall (McDouall) of Logan
« Reply #22 on: Saturday 11 January 20 08:50 GMT (UK) »
That is so interesting, thank you so much.  I knew some of what you have written, but you have made it very clear, thank you.  I am a female direct line descendant of Edward, through the male line. We have a few of the family, direct line descendants of Edward who have had a DNA test done. As I do not know anything about how the test works, could you enlighten me.  It has to be specific Y tested, or do you get both results? Thanks again, and yes, it could be very difficult to prove any relationship, but good fun trying

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Re: Lt Col Andrew McDowall (McDouall) of Logan
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 14 June 20 00:59 BST (UK) »
Hi Poppymack,

Regarding DNA testing I think the most useful test at this stage would be a Y-DNA of someone who is a patrilineal descendant of your Edward McDouall - i.e. Edward's son's son's son etc.  Do you have a male 'McDouall' relative who could test?

FamilyTreeDNA currently has a sale on these tests until 21st June.

https://www.familytreedna.com/products/y-dna#/compare

I manage one Y-DNA and sponsored another (two different branches of my family).

The first kit I was involved with is one I helped pay for in 2018.  He took the Y37 test and has six matches at that level, and there's been no new matches since.  None of them have a similar surname to him - the earliest known patrilineal ancestor of the best match is from a similar part of the British Isles to my relative.  We've not found the link yet.

For next relative we began with Y67 (no longer available).  There were just three matches at that level and surprisingly they're quite close matches and they all had pretty much the same surname as the tester.  We've not found the connection yet as they're in North America and aren't certain of their link to the British Isles.  Since then two other matches at Y67 have appeared.  They're more distant and have different surnames, but that's a 50% increase on matches since 2018.  Since then the kit has been upgraded to Y700.

You may not get a useful match straight away, but then again you just might.  Since the mystery is the origins of your patrilineal relative I think it's worth doing.


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Re: Lt Col Andrew McDowall (McDouall) of Logan
« Reply #24 on: Saturday 27 June 20 14:31 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much for all that information.
My father's cousin, down the male line has just taken a DNA test to see if anything is revealed. 
Thanks once again.  If anything comes of it, I will let you know

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Re: Lt Col Andrew McDowall (McDouall) of Logan
« Reply #25 on: Saturday 27 June 20 23:42 BST (UK) »
How exciting! 

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Re: Lt Col Andrew McDowall (McDouall) of Logan
« Reply #26 on: Monday 16 November 20 13:12 GMT (UK) »
Has there been any news on the DNA test?