*COMPLETED* Did 38 GIBSON STREET, ARDWICK exist in 1901?

[ricky1]

well there is Gibson Street on the Ardwick district 15, and that go's up tp 36 Gibson Street

ricky

[ricky1]

Hi all 

http://www.1901censusonline.com/search.asp?wci=ad_search

House and or Street : Gibson
Keywords : Ardwick

shows 37 and 39 but no 38 
 

Hi Tati

strange that is,  cos its down on the enumerators route

ricky

[ricky1]

district 17

has from 69-101, & 56-94


ricky

[Rowan Tree]

Hey gang - I think I've just had a break-through,

Check out the following census:

Source Citation: Class RG13; Piece 3697; Folio 167; Page 7.
Lloyd Street, Chorlton upon Medlock, South Manchester
Head - Julius Whitehead - 48 (c. 1853) - Little Sodbury, Yorkshire - Licensed Victualler
Wife - Mary E Whitehead - 50 (c. 1851) - Manchester

Valentine Moore (the man Mary Elizabeth married in 1905) was also a Licensed Victualler. Coincidence? Maybe not!

I could do with turning up a marriage for Julius and Mary E now...

TTFN, Rowan Tree 

[Rowan Tree]

Just found the following on LancsBMD:

1874
WHITEHEAD Julius
WALTON Mary E
Manchester Cathedral (formerly Manchester Collegiate Church), Manchester

Do you think the above could be my Mary Elizabeth Boulton after her first husband, named 'unknown' Walton died?

Regards, Rowan Tree 

[ricky1]

Hi Rowan Tree

was just going to post that one

[mosiefish]

I have just noticed this thread after replying on the other one   

Just to say that 38 and 40 Gibson Street Ardwick was the Mechanics Arms in 1891.  RG12/3167 folio 94 page 28.  38 and 40 were also listed as a Beerhouse in 1881.

1901 there is just a number 40 but no one listed as living there, although I suspect it was really Sarah Pratice who is listed at no.32  (see note about side door to no.40) .  RG13/3676 folio 35 page 25.

Mo

[Rowan Tree]

Howdy Mo,

This is such an interesting find (re. Mechanics Arms) - thank you for your post.

It really looks like Mary Elizabeth Whitehead had a connection to the "pub / beer" industry.

When Valentine Moore married Mary Elizabeth in 1905 he gives his occupation as "Stonemason - Journeyman". My granddad said he remembers his uncle Valentine being a pub landlord but until the 1911 census was released I'd not found any evidence of this (I've since also found Valentine in Slater's Manchester, Salford & Suburban Directory - 1909 - Licensed Victualler, Lord Nelson, 91 Chapel Street).

From all this new evidence I'm wondering if Valentine became a pub landlord through his wife, Mary Elizabeth.

Just one quick question before I go:
Do you think the address of 38 Gibson Street, as given by Mary Elizabeth on her marriage certificate, was a pub at the time of her marriage in January 1905?

Best Wishes, Rowan Tree 

P.S. On the marriage certificate Valentine Moore gives his address as 10 Joiner Street, Ardwick.

[mosiefish]

Hi,

Yes, I do think 38 and 40 Gibson Street were the same building.  It was on the corner of Bunyan Street and I suspect it was probably very similar to the photo of the Albert on Gibson Street on the Manchester Images Site:
www.images.manchester.gov.uk 
just type in Gibson Street.  You will notice the door at the corner and then one at the front.  There was still a "beer retailer" living at 40 Gibson Street in 1909. 

Regards,
Mo