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Gorst Liverpool Look-up help!
« on: Friday 25 February 05 21:24 GMT (UK) »
Hi I am having real trouble sorting out the family tree of my Liverpool relatives. I am looking for William Gorst who was married to Katherine Louise Margaret Smith in maybe the 1890s early 1900s. William Gorst was the son of John Gorst and Ellen. John Gorst was a coachmaker.
I cannot find them in the 1901 or 1881 census - maybe there is something about the Liverpool or county borders I don't understand. Any help gratefully received!
Thanks,
Sam

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Re: Gorst Liverpool Look-up help!
« Reply #1 on: Friday 25 February 05 22:34 GMT (UK) »
This looks like your family in 1901:
   
William Gorst 32  Liverpool, Lancashire, England Head  Kirkdale  Lancashire   Bookbinder
Catharine Gorst 27  Liverpool, Lancashire, England Wife  Kirkdale  Lancashire 
Arthur Smith 28  Liverpool, Lancashire, England Brother-in-law  Kirkdale  Lancashire    Book Keeper
John Smith 32  Liverpool, Lancashire, England Brother-in-law  Kirkdale  Lancashire   Book Keeper

The address looks like 26 Pluto St, Kirkdale.

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Re: Gorst Liverpool Look-up help!
« Reply #2 on: Friday 25 February 05 22:54 GMT (UK) »
A William Gorst of the right age shows up in 1871, 1881 and 1891 with father John R Gorst, a coach trimmer, but John's wife is Mary, not Ellen.  How sure are you of Ellen's name?  Perhaps John was married twice?

I'll list the families anyway - if this is the right lot, the 1871 census gives you an extra generation!

1871:

 John R Gorst 30  Liverpool, Lancashire, England Head  Everton  Lancashire    Coach Trimmer
 Mary Gorst 31  Liverpool, Lancashire, England Wife  Everton  Lancashire   
 John H Gorst 3  Liverpool, Lancashire, England Son  Everton  Lancashire     
 William Gorst 2  Liverpool, Lancashire, England Son  Everton  Lancashire 
 Mary Gorst 2 months  Liverpool, Lancashire, England Daughter  Everton  Lancashire     
 William Gorst 60  Liverpool, Lancashire, England Father  Everton  Lancashire    Coach Painter
Elizabeth Gorst 34  Liverpool, Lancashire, England Sister  Everton  Lancashire
 Samuel Gorst 26  Liverpool, Lancashire, England Brother  Everton  Lancashire   Carriage Maker   
 William Gorst 20  Liverpool, Lancashire, England Brother  Everton  Lancashire    (???)Ginger Beer Maker  (Hard to read)


1881:

 John R. Gorst abt 1841  Liverpool, Lancashire, England Head  Everton    Coach Trimmer
 Mary Gorst abt 1840  Liverpool, Lancashire, England Wife  Everton         
 John H. Gorst abt 1868  Liverpool, Lancashire, England Son  Everton   
 William Gorst abt 1869  Liverpool, Lancashire, England Son  Everton 
 Hannah Gorst abt 1873  Liverpool, Lancashire, England Daughter  Everton
 Elizabeth Gorst abt 1876  Liverpool, Lancashire, England Daughter  Everton   
 Arthur Gorst abt 1878  Liverpool, Lancashire, England Son  Everton     
Samuel Gorst abt 1879  Liverpool, Lancashire, England Son  Everton     
Samuel Gorst abt 1879  Liverpool, Lancashire, England Son  Everton     
 George Gorst abt 1881  Liverpool, Lancashire, England Son  Everton


1891:
 
 Gorst, John R 51 Liverpool, Lancashire Head  Everton  Lancashire    Coach Trimmer
 Gorst, Mary 49 Liverpool, Lancashire Wife  Everton  Lancashire   
 Gorst, John H 23 Liverpool, Lancashire Son  Everton  Lancashire      General Labourer
 Gorst, William 22 Liverpool, Lancashire Son  Everton  Lancashire    Book Binder
 Gorst, Hannah 18 Liverpool, Lancashire Daughter  Everton  Lancashire   Paper Bag Maker
 Gorst, Elizabeth 15 Liverpool, Lancashire Daughter  Everton  Lancashire   Paper Bag Maker
 Gorst, Arthur 13 Liverpool, Lancashire Son  Everton  Lancashire   
Gorst, Samuel 11 Liverpool, Lancashire Son  Everton  Lancashire     
 Gorst, George 10 Liverpool, Lancashire Son  Everton  Lancashire   
 
Hope this helps!

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Re: Gorst Liverpool Look-up help!
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 26 February 05 18:53 GMT (UK) »
Ok thanks for your help on this. I think the varying names/spellings made this a bit harder!
Thanks all!
Samantha
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Re: Gorst Liverpool Look-up help!
« Reply #4 on: Monday 28 February 05 10:23 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

I don't know if this helps, but there was a family named Gorst  living in Fleetwood Lancs in the late 1950s.

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Thomas.  Wigan Bolton & Fleetwood
Wilcox. Liverpool & Fleetwood.
Lamplough. Hull.
Hallam. Wigan & Bolton
Jordan. Hackney.
Burtonwood. Wigan,Bolton
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Re: Gorst Liverpool Look-up help!
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 16 March 05 16:55 GMT (UK) »
Samantha, Did you decide that this was the right family or not?  My husband descends from the Gorst family mentioned in the above censuses, descendant of William Gorst, given as aged 28 (looks like 28 rather than 20 to me, and is given before Samuel, but Ancestry has it indexed as 20, and 20 fits in better with other censuses!), Carriage maker.
It is Samuel, aged 26, who is given as the Ginger Beer Maker!
Courtesy of my b-in-law, I have more info re this Gorst family if it is the right one for you
Please contact me at margaretjanew at hotmail dot com if you would like any further info, albeit second-hand
margaret
STEER, mainly Surrey, Kent; PINNOCKS/HAINES, Gosport, Hants; BARKER, mainly Broadwater, Sussex; Gosport, Hampshire; LAVERSUCH, Micheldever, Hampshire; WESTALL, London, Reading, Berks; HYDE, Croydon, Surrey; BRIGDEN, Hadlow, Kent and London; TUTHILL/STEPHENS, London
WILKINSON, Leeds, Yorkshire and Liverpool; WILLIAMSON, Liverpool; BEARE, Yeovil, Somerset; ALLEN, Kent and London; GORST, Liverpool; HOYLE, mainly Leeds, Yorkshire

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Re: Gorst Liverpool Look-up help!
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 16 March 05 17:15 GMT (UK) »
bmd ref for William Gorst and Katherine-Louisa M Smith
Jun qtr 1897 Vol 8b p 972, West Derby, Liverpool
Margaret
STEER, mainly Surrey, Kent; PINNOCKS/HAINES, Gosport, Hants; BARKER, mainly Broadwater, Sussex; Gosport, Hampshire; LAVERSUCH, Micheldever, Hampshire; WESTALL, London, Reading, Berks; HYDE, Croydon, Surrey; BRIGDEN, Hadlow, Kent and London; TUTHILL/STEPHENS, London
WILKINSON, Leeds, Yorkshire and Liverpool; WILLIAMSON, Liverpool; BEARE, Yeovil, Somerset; ALLEN, Kent and London; GORST, Liverpool; HOYLE, mainly Leeds, Yorkshire

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Re: Gorst Liverpool Look-up help!
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 16 March 05 17:31 GMT (UK) »
    And what do you think of this for Catherine in 1881, courtesy of Familysearch
 

 Name     Relation    Marital Status    Gender    Age    Birthplace    Occupation    
 John SMITH      Head      M      Male      40      Ireland      Labourer      
 Mary SMITH      Wife      M      Female      36      Liverpool, Lancashire, England      Hawker      
 John H. SMITH      Son            Male      11      Liverpool, Lancashire, England      Scholar      
 Edward SMITH      Son            Male      9      Liverpool, Lancashire, England      Scholar      
 Catherine SMITH      Daur            Female      7      Liverpool, Lancashire, England      Scholar      
 Mary Ann SMITH      Daur            Female      5      Liverpool, Lancashire, England      Scholar      
 Catherine CONVAY      Boarder      W      Female      58      Ireland      Charwoman      

7 Crt 6H Circus Street
Liverpool, Lancashire
RG11/3630 Folio 134
Page 10
STEER, mainly Surrey, Kent; PINNOCKS/HAINES, Gosport, Hants; BARKER, mainly Broadwater, Sussex; Gosport, Hampshire; LAVERSUCH, Micheldever, Hampshire; WESTALL, London, Reading, Berks; HYDE, Croydon, Surrey; BRIGDEN, Hadlow, Kent and London; TUTHILL/STEPHENS, London
WILKINSON, Leeds, Yorkshire and Liverpool; WILLIAMSON, Liverpool; BEARE, Yeovil, Somerset; ALLEN, Kent and London; GORST, Liverpool; HOYLE, mainly Leeds, Yorkshire

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