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Re: Sir Stanley Bell, Wigan or nearby
« Reply #18 on: Monday 02 November 09 09:11 GMT (UK) »

Dear Rich,

Thank you for your note and indeed it is lovely to hear that the car is in such good hands.  Although I obviously have photos of my grandfather, none of them feature the car which I travelled in once when I was about 6 years old.  Barlow, Grandpa's chauffeur kept it in the garage most of the time and used the other car for daily use.  I do remember my mother taking it to a grand ball in Cumbria after my grandfather and grandmother's death and I think there was a problem with the wheel on the way!  The car was sold soon afterwards.

I have left a message with Rolls Royce regarding the dealership and any manufacturers no/ car no you have will also help them with the history of the car.  I cannot see that the Lancashire dealership have a website or indeed is still trading.

I hope this helps in a small way and will send back to you any correspondence received from RR.

Yours sincerely,


Sarah
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Re: Sir Stanley Bell, Wigan or nearby
« Reply #19 on: Monday 02 November 09 15:22 GMT (UK) »
Mrs. Fenton, you are very kind.  Your response is a big help  :)

I really do appreciate your recollections!  It is fascinating to think that you remember riding in the car when a little girl.  I have a daughter that age now.  I wonder what her memories will be!  In fact, yesterday was her 7th birthday, we rode in the car to a state park to watch the annual bison roundup and tour an historical ranch in the Great Salt Lake area.

For the query to Rolls-Royce; The car is a 1957 model year Silver Cloud (later called the Silver Cloud I series); the chasis number is SED.69; the body number is SC.2673 'S' type Saloon; "Customer, Loxhams Garages ltd. for, Sir Stanley Bell SF/SE 7.6.57"  Originally Midnight Blue, the car was repainted marron over silver sometime in the '70s I believe.  This guess is because the paint used was a laquer, not available in the states since the early '80s.



May I presume to ask a series of questions?
What specific details of memory do you have, do you remember what year you rode in the car? Perhaps it was a drive in the country or was the occassion a trip to the city...with whom did you drive...accompanied by whom? ...

I wonder, would mind too terribly much if I presumed to ask for a copy of a photo with your grandfather and grandmother together?  At Euxton House perhaps? Your grandfather with his business associates?  Any such photo would be greatly appreciated.  The biography/history I'm knitting together would be supported greatly with such photos.  Scanned and e-mailed would be fine of course (as large as possible to render good detail for display with the car.)

You mention the chauffer, Barlow.  I presume his family may still be about?  Is it possible to track them? Perhaps a photo could be sourced there?  Advice of any way to contact the family would be extremely helpful.  Did Barlow serve your grandmother and mother as well?

When did your Grandmother pass away?  Soon after Sir Stanley?  I presume also that your mother has passed away as well?  Answers to these questions would help me to patch together a time table of the change in ownership.  Since you recall that your mom was able to use the car for a gala event, do you remember the year?  If your mom or dad saw to the sale of the car, it would help me track one step farther.  Would you perhaps have siblings or cousins that would remember the odd detail?

Are there records, a certificate of title or other odd document lying about, that could help track the sale of the car or other assets?  Did Astley Industrial Trust handle the sale/transfer to a new owner or perhaps your grandfather's/grandmother's/mother's solicitor? Please believe me no detail is too small!

Whatever happened to Astley Industrial Trust?

Regards,
Rich Fewkes

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Re: Sir Stanley Bell, Wigan or nearby
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 05 November 09 21:21 GMT (UK) »
hi,this might be totally irrelevant,just googling names from my past,when i came across yours in a round about way,but i remember a Sir Stanley Bell,an imposing gentleman,being the father of Margaret Fenton who gave me my first job,at WESTFIELDS STUD,NR MORETON MORRELL,this was back in the 70's.
sadly for reasons i cannot recall Mrs Fenton left the area,if i remember correctly there were 4 children,Michael,Diana,Sarah,and David,also a Great Dane called sloopy and several yorkies and dachshunds.I apologize if this has no relevance to you.

regards john hopkins


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Re: Sir Stanley Bell, Wigan or nearby
« Reply #21 on: Friday 06 November 09 08:33 GMT (UK) »
 

This has really cheered up my morning John.  I do remember you a little as I was about 6.  I was talking about Sloopy to my daughter the other day - you must remember her destroying all those cushions she found, all over the stableyard grass, feathers everywhere, I know it was such a mess but we loved those dogs!

David and I made the mistake of going back about 20 years ago and Phil Young had bought the yard and back fields and someone else the main house and destroyed it - a big mistake maybe to have gone back, it made us very sad. 

My mother died in 2005, we left really because she could no longer make a going concern of the Stud - I think it was about 1972 and the economy was awful, but also because Grandpa had died and she had to move up to Euxton to sort out his estate.  I was sent away to boarding school in Surrey.  Diana I don't see anymore but Michael is in Cyprus in real estate and David married in Gloucestershire and a surveyor in Birmingham with two daughters, though we don't see them much.

Hoping you have kept well and are you still living locally - I do miss the countryside around there, although of course the motorway extension went through I think and have still put off getting a dog until we manage to get a bigger garden.  My husband and I are currently in Sevenoaks as I am working as a Facilities (Commercial buildings) Director, but I am keen to move out West back to property country at some stage and finally get a dog. 

Do keep in touch and let me know your news, it has made me very happy to hear from someone from my childhood when (my father is also dead), there are so few photos left.

Kindest regards


Sarah Fenton.


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Re: Sir Stanley Bell, Wigan or nearby
« Reply #22 on: Saturday 07 November 09 18:14 GMT (UK) »
hi  again Sarah,it seems a bit strange talking to you,as the last time i saw you,you would of been about 5,saddens me about your mother passing away,she really had a big affect on my early working life,and it would of been nice to have spoke to her again.
Westfields is now split into about 3 parts,the house,the yard and the bottom half which belongs to George Baker the racehorse trainer.
I went down to Phil Youngs at 3gates after you left,but it was not the same,and i gave up the horses after about a year and went travelling the world,i am head designer now for a screenprinters and embroiderers,a long way from horses,still live locally,could never live in a town,
John Steele who had the top bungalow went to Shadwell Stud in Thetford,but is now general manager of Chippenham Lodge Stud in Ely,Cambs,have not been in contact with him for years though,even though he is my sons godfather,John Robson moved to Newmarket and have not heard of him since,the others i have no idea of there whereabouts,they were good days. I can still see sloopy with the cushions,she always had something to carry,she would even try to drag your brother around after she had knocked him over.I often walk my dog(choccy lab named Molly) through Westfields,next time i will try to take some photos of the place and send them to you,i have a few old ones but they were mainly of the horses in the yard.Well i wont take up any more of your time,really nice to have had the chance to talk,give my regards to your family.best wishes john

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Re: Sir Stanley Bell, Wigan or nearby
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 08 November 09 13:41 GMT (UK) »
John hi - thank you for your update.  Sadly not sure whether photos of how it is now, will help.....I wonder which of the horses you had, those would be interesting photos to copy. 

I remember Ma being truly inconsolable when Christina Rossetti died at Three Gates Stud (Phil Young's at the time) and could not forgive him, but also blamed herself for putting Barlow Fold in the pony box after weaning.  The foals I remember best were Philipina, the Philip of Spain filly, the Pieces of Eight colt who did well and that very brassy chesnut that came back with an attitude problem.  My Drifter who won the Craven Stakes at Newmarket, but failed in the  2000 Guinneas due to the ground, I think she bred by Ma in Ireland.

I am not sure if you knew Grandpa, I only saw him once in Warwickshire, but he owned Bar Point who won the Scottish Grand National in 56.  He and Daddy were both NH - Daddy being in Fermoy (Fenton's big family there in Ireland), 1000 of the southern irish racing fraternity turned out for his funeral, the coffin drawn by horses - they (my parents) were both respected.  Grandpa well, he WAS very intimidating, I gather even the letters from Churchill when he (Grandpa) was Northern Party Conservative Chairman, after Blackpool, were very congratulatory.

Bizarrely the only photo I have left is of Sloopy, my email is: [email protected] and hopefully we can exchange photos for Christmas.  Many thanks for your note and I am glad too that you have found a career that you are content with, best regards, Sarah.

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Re: Sir Stanley Bell, Wigan or nearby
« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 10 November 09 18:03 GMT (UK) »
Hi all  :)

Back to the original search.

So this was the family in 1881:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/07gb/

Joseph and Margaret were already married in 1871:
RG10/3948 16 2
Walmersley With Shuttleworth, Lancashire
Rowlands
Summerseat? Station

Joseph Bell, head, 24, Station Master, b. Yorkshire Hawksworth
Margaret, wife, 25, b. Lancashire Liverpool
Jane Bell, sister, unm, 20, Dressmaker, b. Yorkshire Halifax

So we're looking for a marriage sometime before 1871 but we don't know where.

Unfortunately there are too many possibles on FreeBMD - I'm afraid you'll have to get Thomas G's birth cert to find out Margaret's maiden name  :-\
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Re: Sir Stanley Bell, Wigan or nearby
« Reply #25 on: Tuesday 10 November 09 18:19 GMT (UK) »


Thanks so much everyone, I think were nearly done - just need to find TG's mystery wife.

If I can will try and complete all the Tree on both Grandpa and Grannies side on Ancestry.  Thank you to everyone particularly Tati for their help, but also to Keith for the lovely photos of 'superstar' Jim Slevin, first captain of rugby league for Wigan;  now my mother's red and white striped jockey's cap racing colours, which were chosen as a replica of the Wigan cap Jim would have worn,  makes sense.

Kindest regards,
Sarah

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Re: Sir Stanley Bell, Wigan or nearby
« Reply #26 on: Tuesday 10 November 09 18:54 GMT (UK) »
Thanks to the presence of sister Jane, we can trace back Joseph

1861
RG9/3578 17 28
Hessle, Yorkshire
Hessle Wood Lodge

Frances Bell, head, wid, 42, b. Newton on Ouse Yorkshire
Joseph, son, 13, scholar, b. Otley Yorks
Jane, dau, 9, b. Halifax Yorks
John Ledger, lodger, unm, 32, Gardener, b. Bishop ** Devon

 
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