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BMD's for British Expats in St Petersburg Russia pre-1917
« on: Saturday 01 August 09 12:23 BST (UK) »
Having spent a fruitless afternoon at TNA yesterday I wondered if anyone has any ideas about where I might find the birth records of British children born in the Schlusselburg/St Petersburg area in the 1885-1917 period. I looked through the British consular records in FO 378 and RG33/148-151 without turning up any trace of an Austin family to which at least 5 chidren were born in that area in that period.

The father James Austin was described as a retired Works Manager on one of the children's marriage certificates.
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Re: BMD's for British Expats in St Petersburg Russia pre-1917
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 24 November 09 19:21 GMT (UK) »
Hello ShaunJ,

Do you have names and birth years of other children born in Russia? What is on the marriage certificate - "Shlusselburg" or "St. Petersburg", or both?

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Re: BMD's for British Expats in St Petersburg Russia pre-1917
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 24 November 09 22:24 GMT (UK) »
One of the families in which I have an interest has children born and christened in Russia at this time. There was a Chapel attached to the British Factory at St Petersburg. You might find the following link of interest:

http://www.familyhistoryforum.co.uk/lofiversion/index.php?t2111.html

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Re: BMD's for British Expats in St Petersburg Russia pre-1917
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 24 November 09 22:37 GMT (UK) »
Hi Mike,

These are the children of James Austin that I know about. They are all together in the 1911 census for Newton, Cheshire.  

John Harold Austin born 3 April 1893 (per US WW1 draft registration) at St Petersburg (1914 US immigration manifest) aka Petrograd (US WW1 draft registration)
Vera Austin born 8 October 1895 (GRO death index) at St Petersburg ( as far as I recall from conversations with her)
Doris Alice Austin born circa 1900 in Russia (1911 census)
Albert Edward Austin born 22 Feb1902 St Petersburg ( per a tree on Ancestry which also shows the mother as Emily)
James Stanley Austin born to James Austin and 2nd wife Nancy Clough 2 Sep 1904 at Schlusselburg (1921 US immigration)

Per the certificate for the second marriage in 1903, James Austin was a resident of Schlusselburg
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Re: BMD's for British Expats in St Petersburg Russia pre-1917
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 24 November 09 22:40 GMT (UK) »
JDS 1949 - that's very useful - thank you!
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Re: BMD's for British Expats in St Petersburg Russia pre-1917
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 25 November 09 09:26 GMT (UK) »
Just found Albert Edward Austin on a ship's manifest arriving New York in 1954. This shows a birthdate of 7 May 1902. Born Russia. Nationality shown as "M.B.B.S" - does anybody know what that means?
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Re: BMD's for British Expats in St Petersburg Russia pre-1917
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 25 November 09 11:07 GMT (UK) »
Was he a Physician??

MBBS usually stands for Bachelor of Medicine, Bachelor of Surgery, i.e. a qualification written in the wrong place on the manifest??

Just a thought
Rigg/Scholfield - Oldham/Rochdale
Hibbert/Moore - Hayfield/Saddleworth
Garstang/Kirby - Littleborough/Todmorden
Sutcliffe/Hill - Todmorden/Walsden
Young/Stevenson/Newbutt - Ticknall/Kegworth/Nutall/Hucknall/Bulwell
Woolley/Potter, Gaze/Parkins - Kegworth/Normanton-on-Soar/Wheathampstead/Harpenden
Smith/Green - Offley/Flamstead

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Re: BMD's for British Expats in St Petersburg Russia pre-1917
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 25 November 09 11:28 GMT (UK) »
No - he was a seagoing electrician. The B.S. bit is probably British Subject.
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Re: BMD's for British Expats in St Petersburg Russia pre-1917
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 26 November 09 10:55 GMT (UK) »
I have just received more information on Albert Edward Austin. He was born to James and Emily Austin on 22 February 1902 (Julian calendar)/ 7 March 1902 (Gregorian). He was baptised at Schlusselburg on 10/23 March 1902.
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