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Constable James Pay/Sinking of Princes Alice
« on: Saturday 01 August 09 19:40 BST (UK) »
Good evening Rootschatters,

I have been extolling the virtues of Rootschat to a friend and in order to show her how wonderful it is, I would be very grateful if you would indulge me and find some information on an ancestor of hers - a Mr James Pay, of Maidstone in Kent, who joined the police force (Metropolitan I believe) in 1859 and who was also involved in the unpleasant task of recovery of bodies from the sinking of a pleasure steamer on the Thames - the Princes Alice.   I have to confess I find it hard to believe the supposed death toll of 700 souls as I cannot imagine this would have slipped from public consciousness, even after over a hundred years.  Did such a sinking happen and was the death toll so horrendous?

Thank you and please accept my appreciation of any results

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Re: Constable James Pay/Sinking of Princes Alice
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 01 August 09 19:48 BST (UK) »
If you google sinking of Princess Alice the story comes up - On September 3, 1878, she was making what was billed as a "Moonlight Trip" to Gravesend and back.

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Re: Constable James Pay/Sinking of Princes Alice
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 01 August 09 20:07 BST (UK) »
The same James PAY who is Igorstrav's relative ???

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,341802.0.html

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Re: Constable James Pay/Sinking of Princes Alice
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 01 August 09 20:56 BST (UK) »
Hi Casalguidi and Laurina,

Thanks for the lightning info - my friend is very impressed - especially with the link to Igorstrav who is obviously an undiscovered - until now - relative.

Speak again soon

Regards

Kincaid
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Re: Constable James Pay/Sinking of Princes Alice
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 01 August 09 21:47 BST (UK) »
Rootschat scores again!   ;D

Well done Casalguidi, you are just ace  ;)

Another family connection established, I have - as other Rootschatters will know - lots of Pay family photos and am very pleased to be in touch with Kincaid and his friend.  Can't wait to establish the degree of cousinhood between us.

best regards to you all! 

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Pay, Kent. 
Barham, Kent. 
Cork(e), Kent. 
Cooley, Kent.
Barwell, Rutland/Northants/Greenwich.
Cotterill, Derbys.
Van Steenhoven/Steenhoven/Hoven, Nord Brabant/Belgium/East London.
Kesneer Belgium/East London
Burton, East London.
Barlow, East London
Wayling, East London
Wade, Greenwich/Brightlingsea, Essex.
Thorpe, Brightlingsea, Essex

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Re: Constable James Pay/Sinking of Princes Alice
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 04 August 09 23:45 BST (UK) »
Just in case you haven't see it, do look at the following thread (you  will need to read right through) which shows a number of Metropolitan Police records now freely available online http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,386714.0.html

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Re: Constable James Pay/Sinking of Princes Alice
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 22 May 19 16:36 BST (UK) »
@Igor Strav:
Happen to have a William James Pay (died 1873-1881) in London, or his son Willam Arthur, in your tree?
Thanx a million
Robin

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Re: Constable James Pay/Sinking of Princes Alice
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 22 May 19 17:46 BST (UK) »
@Igor Strav:
Happen to have a William James Pay (died 1873-1881) in London, or his son Willam Arthur, in your tree?
Thanx a million
Robin

Hi there Robin

Of the large number of Pays in my tree, I don't have a William James or William Arthur, sadly.  Quite a few Williams (no middle name)

However, can you give me more details of your two Williams (date of/place of birth, any censuses you have them in, anything else) and I will have a look to see if I can tie them in anywhere?

And thank you for reminding me of this thread of nearly 10 years ago - I cannot now remember how I am related to the person who wrote the original post!
Pay, Kent. 
Barham, Kent. 
Cork(e), Kent. 
Cooley, Kent.
Barwell, Rutland/Northants/Greenwich.
Cotterill, Derbys.
Van Steenhoven/Steenhoven/Hoven, Nord Brabant/Belgium/East London.
Kesneer Belgium/East London
Burton, East London.
Barlow, East London
Wayling, East London
Wade, Greenwich/Brightlingsea, Essex.
Thorpe, Brightlingsea, Essex

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Re: Constable James Pay/Sinking of Princes Alice
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 22 May 19 17:52 BST (UK) »
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