Author Topic: Lloyd London Mystery  (Read 78556 times)

Offline fallingonabruise

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 438
  • 'bring out your dead'
    • View Profile
Lloyd in london, Jelfs, Cheatham, Taylor, Raistrick, Knowles, Cassidy, Blackburn, Corns, Gallagher

Offline fallingonabruise

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 438
  • 'bring out your dead'
    • View Profile
Re: Lloyd London Mystery
« Reply #280 on: Tuesday 31 January 12 22:34 GMT (UK) »
Just to add more info from the wonderful Nemo  ;D

I have had a further look at the Benjamin and Elizabeth Lloyd nee Collins conundrum. I hope that none of this has already come up under your Beginners Forum query “London Mystery” which is 28 pages - and still growing!

1799 – London Gazette states
“Notice is hereby given, that the Partnership lately subsisting between Benjamin Lloyd and Robert Jones, of Worcester, Grocers and Tea-Dealers, under the Firm of Lloyd and Jones, is this Day dissolved by mutual Consent. All Persons indebted to the said Partnership are requested immediately to pay their respective Debts to either of the said Parties. Benjamin Lloyd. Robert Jones.

(Neither man appears in the Worcester Royal Directory for 1794)

In 1802 Benjamin Lloyd Gent (this might have been the above BL) married Elizabeth Collins at St Nicholas, Worcester. There is no further reference to Benjamin, Elizabeth or any children’s baptisms or burials from 1802 to 1819, the date you have for BL dying in Heligoland.  From “London Mystery” it seems possible that the same Benjamin Lloyd had undertaken a new enterprise as a Merchant in Liverpool where he was declared a bankrupt in 1806. (Northampton Mercury Saturday 1 March 1806) A year later there was talk of a dividend being paid (Morning Chronicle 4 March 1807)

In the same year 1807 John Ballard Lloyd was baptised at St Clements church in Worcester.There are no further baptisms or burials for JBL’s family in St Clement parish between 1802 and 1819, the year Benjamin Lloyd died in Heligoland.


John Ballard Lloyd is mentioned along with his mother in John Ballard’s 1817 will.  In the 1794 Directory there was a John Ballard who was a grocer at 64 Broad Street. This may have been the John Ballard who died in 1817 when he was 72 years old - and was Mayor? The funeral took place at St John’s church, although he was buried in the graveyard at St Oswald’s Hospital. The chapel was a popular place for bapts marriages and burials.  St John’s parish is on the west side of the river. This would have been the parish church for JB’s home being at LOWER Wick, rather than Wick which is near Pershore and seems unlikely to have been where he was living at the time of his death. JB’s will was proved in the Prerogative Court of Canterbury

Lloyd in london, Jelfs, Cheatham, Taylor, Raistrick, Knowles, Cassidy, Blackburn, Corns, Gallagher

Offline TTT

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 24
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Lloyd London Mystery
« Reply #281 on: Wednesday 01 February 12 08:10 GMT (UK) »
Making steady progress but will keep powder dry.
Found this today which is a Lloyd/Ballard coincidence!

Offline MonicaL

  • RootsChat Honorary
  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 32,419
  • Girl with firewood, Morar 1910 - MEM Donaldson
    • View Profile
Re: Lloyd London Mystery
« Reply #282 on: Wednesday 01 February 12 09:07 GMT (UK) »
Gosh, a lot of progress there on this period in Worcester! Great summary and research of events Nemo which give a much better grasp of events at this time.

Tony...we like steady progress!

Just a point regarding possible age/birth year for Benjamin Lloyd. Tony, do you have an estimate/actual year when Benjamin Snr. and Sophia Smith married? From the info that Nemo has posted re that 1799 London Gazette notice, if it is the same Benjamin Lloyd, just trying to guess at his birth year and whether this would fit with him being a son of Benjamin and Sophia.

Monica

Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk


Offline fallingonabruise

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 438
  • 'bring out your dead'
    • View Profile
Re: Lloyd London Mystery
« Reply #283 on: Wednesday 01 February 12 12:46 GMT (UK) »
can't stop, got to go out but found this.

and had twelve children. Through this combination of circumstances he ran through his money, and Edward I, who was born in 1791, had to begin on a more laborious rung of the ladder. At the age of twelve he was apprenticed to his cousins, Nathaniel and Edward Lloyd, of the Postlip paper mills at Winchcombe, the forerunner of the well-known firm of Edward Lloyd,

http://www.binson.co.uk/robinsons/robinsons.htm#acontent
Lloyd in london, Jelfs, Cheatham, Taylor, Raistrick, Knowles, Cassidy, Blackburn, Corns, Gallagher

Offline fallingonabruise

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 438
  • 'bring out your dead'
    • View Profile
Re: Lloyd London Mystery
« Reply #284 on: Monday 06 February 12 22:34 GMT (UK) »
have been looking into the life of John Ballard Byron in the hope it might shed a few clues for our mystery,
found this report about him,   
  articles against a churchwarden for " quarrelling, chiding, and brawling by words," and for "smiting"

 http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=PmwDAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA396&dq=john+ballard+byron&hl=en&sa=X&ei=N1EwT7P9G9Lt8QOgyMT7Dg&ved=0CDwQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=john%20ballard%20byron&f=false

 ;D
he was a president in the Freemasons too (1844) and a director of the Richmond railway compay !
Lloyd in london, Jelfs, Cheatham, Taylor, Raistrick, Knowles, Cassidy, Blackburn, Corns, Gallagher

Offline Janchat

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 16
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: Lloyd London Mystery
« Reply #285 on: Monday 27 February 12 06:19 GMT (UK) »
Hi all

 The Robert Jones who appeared in the London Gazette 1799 with Benjamin Lloyd in regard to the co. Lloyd & Jones being dissolved may have been ( probably was) the husband of Esther LLOYD b.1774 who married  Robert JONES on 25 Dec 1797 at Hanley Castle. After his death she then married John ACTON. Esther was the sister of Benjamin, William Joseph etc etc.

Offline fallingonabruise

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 438
  • 'bring out your dead'
    • View Profile
Re: Lloyd London Mystery
« Reply #286 on: Monday 27 February 12 13:27 GMT (UK) »
Hi again Jan,
I'm lost  ;D
where did Esther come from ? I can find Ester jones lloyd, Josephs and Sophias daughter.
It's getting rather complicated isn't it !! ;D
Lloyd in london, Jelfs, Cheatham, Taylor, Raistrick, Knowles, Cassidy, Blackburn, Corns, Gallagher

Offline Nemo

  • RootsChat Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 146
    • View Profile
Re: Lloyd London Mystery
« Reply #287 on: Monday 27 February 12 20:05 GMT (UK) »
Hi
Jan means that Esther Lloyd who married Robert Jones in 1797 was the sister of Benjamin Lloyd, her husband’s partner in Lloyd & Jones Grocers and Tea dealers of Worcester. The partnership was dissolved in 1799. Robert Jones died (when?) and Mrs Esther Jones nee Lloyd married John Acton at All Saints Worcester. I can look at the records for that marriage in the next two weeks.

You were trying to connect the Benjamin Lloyd who married Elizabeth Collins (mother of John Ballard Lloyd) in Worcester to the Benjamin Lloyd in Liverpool. The announcement of the marriage of Benjamin Lloyd to Elizabeth Collins at St Nicholas church Worcester  in the Worcestershire Herald newspaper on May 6th 1802 states that he was a “merchant of Liverpool “and she was “of this city”.

You already know that Benjamin Lloyd, Elizabeth’s husband died in 1819 in Heligoland/Russia. The local Worcester newspaper obituary reported his death in Russia and that he was the son of Mr Lloyd of Hanley Castle near Upton on Severn. I checked the Land Tax records for Hanley Castle for 1819/20 and found that the name of Benjamin Lloyd appeared three times, the other Lloyd was Enoch and I have never managed to find  a link between your Lloyds and the Enoch Lloyd dynasty of more Enoch Lloyds , in which I am interested.

When the Baptist Deacon Benjamin Lloyd died in 1834 in his 91st year, the Baptist Magazine reported that he lived at Hanley Castle and died in the house that he had lived in nearly all his life. It would appear that Benjamin Lloyd (the Baptist Deacon) mentioned in the Land Tax records was the father of Benjamin Lloyd of Liverpool.
HTH
Nemo