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Dating and comparison, Is this the same person?
« on: Tuesday 04 August 09 10:51 BST (UK) »
I was wondering if anyone could help with the dating the photograph of the young child. I have a suspicion that the baby may be the same person as the one signed "Yours ever, Elsie" and would welcome your comments.

The "yours ever Elsie" one was taken circa 1918, and was my elusive Grandmother. All I know is that she was illegitimate, and there is no trace of her life before she met my grandfather.

Any help would be very much appreciated.

Oops, just noticed that I can only attach 2 photo's, so will send the other, with the back after,(hopefully)

Thanks
Penny

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Re: Dating and comparison, Is this the same person?
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 04 August 09 11:20 BST (UK) »
I don't think you can compare an 18 month old baby with a grownup but this lovely picture of Elsie looks 1916 ish.Her neckline is a bit daring for any earlier.That would make her about 26 in this.

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Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
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Re: Dating and comparison, Is this the same person?
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 04 August 09 11:28 BST (UK) »
Just to keep it all on the same thread.Here's the 1891-2 card.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

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Re: Dating and comparison, Is this the same person?
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 04 August 09 11:50 BST (UK) »
Thanks Jim,

Bit of a rookie. I was hoping the first photo was 1996-98, which is when Elsie was supposedly born. However, experience has taught me that I have to take what she said with a huge pinch of salt!!


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Re: Dating and comparison, Is this the same person?
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 04 August 09 12:37 BST (UK) »
The only time he was at all three addresses was 1892,taking into account he may have used old card stock for this you can push it up to 1893 but I wouldn't go any further than that.
I take it you're taking her birth year from her marriage cert.

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Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

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Re: Dating and comparison, Is this the same person?
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 04 August 09 13:59 BST (UK) »
If the baby is your grandmother, she was obviously well cared for even if she was illegitimate, so I doubt she came from a poor family.

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Re: Dating and comparison, Is this the same person?
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 04 August 09 14:08 BST (UK) »
Jim,
As she fibbed about everything else on her marriage certificate, i.e. her father was a medical doctor, whereas I have found out that he was a siphon filler and then a milk man, it is entirely possible that her year of birth was also not entirely true!! I will look at earlier records, thanks for that.

Lizzie, I agree with you that she does look well cared for. When I blew the pictures up and put them side by side, the eyes and eyebrows looked remarkably similar, as well as the prominent chin. I wish there was a program which was available to morph one into the other.

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Penny

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Re: Dating and comparison, Is this the same person?
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 04 August 09 14:29 BST (UK) »
You mean like this.Baby's face fits perfectly.

jim
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

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Re: Dating and comparison, Is this the same person?
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 04 August 09 14:33 BST (UK) »
Gosh, that's fantastic Jim, I knew there was a link, now all I have to do is find some details about her. She is not in any census, no birth certificate, just the marriage cert. But I feel I am gradually chipping away at her mystery.

Thank you so much.

Penny