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Lookup Margaret MARTIN (Nee DOCHERTY) - Hamilton/ Glasgow
« on: Wednesday 12 August 09 04:09 BST (UK) »
Recently I inherited the attached old photo. Written on the back was "Mother - Margaret MARTIN". Having done a bit of the family tree I know of only one MARTIN in the tree, being a George MARTIN who married a great-great -aunt in 1915. 

On the 18th Sept 1915 George MARTIN married Florence Amelia JONES at Summer Hill, NSW, Aust. On the marriage certificate George stated he was 36 (born around 1879), storeman, born in Hamilton, Scotland.  His parents were James MARTIN (Deceased - Postman) and Margaret DOCHERTY. I am not sure when George arrived in Australia

I am seeking any possible birth / marriage / children / census records that may relate to Margaret MARTIN (nee DOCHERTY) in order to give an identity back to the lady in the photograph.   The photo was taken by Charles MITCHELL of Glasgow.

Although it is probably not the right forum I would love to receive any thoughts on the age, nature of the photo (wedding?) or comments on the large chain and lock around her right wriss (probably her left with the photo reversed) or what the anchor means on her dress?

Many thanks - Sturdy
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Re: Lookup Margaret MARTIN (Nee DOCHERTY) - Hamilton/ Glasgow
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 13 August 09 12:05 BST (UK) »
Hi Sturdy

The image of your ancestor appears to be a Victorian mourning photo. The anchor around her neck is a heraldic, Christian and Masonic symbol of hope. In this case, it is a St. Clement's cross (St. Clement also being the patron saint of mariners) and biblically refers to Heb 6:19; 'If you fear, put all your trust in God: that anchor holds.' There are further biblical references to the anchor in St. Paul. For Freemasons, the anchor symbolises well-grounded hope and a well-spent life. The black and gold bracelet she is wearing would traditionally contain hair of the deceased in the locket. From what I can discern, it looks like she is holding a bouquet of violets, the Victorian death flower by virtue of its purple colour.

I did a search on SP for you and found that Margaret Martin (nee Docherty) died, age 62, in 1898. Thus, you can calculate the approximate year the photo was taken by her age, which appears to be about 30-35. It may well be that she was mourning a parent or child, as her husband, James Martin, died not long after her in 1898.

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Re: Lookup Margaret MARTIN (Nee DOCHERTY) - Hamilton/ Glasgow
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 13 August 09 15:17 BST (UK) »
hi Sturdy  :)

looks like the family here -

http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2738594&id=I568053470

1881
45 baillies causeway hamilton lanarkshire
james martin 44 headband manufacturer born hamilton lanark
margaret martin 45 b. largs ayr
james t martin 20 clerk(colliery)b. hamilton
wilhelmina martin 16 b. hamilton
patrick w r martin 10 b. hamilton
thomas martin 6 b. hamilton
george martin 2 b. hamilton

there is a marriage on IGI -
james martin & margaret docherty 15th july 1859 ayr ayrshire

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Re: Lookup Margaret MARTIN (Nee DOCHERTY) - Hamilton/ Glasgow
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 13 August 09 15:41 BST (UK) »
looking at SP(think ?)

george martin born 1867 died 1868 hamilton lanark
john hamilton martin born 1870 died 1880 hamilton lanark
maggie martin born 1873 died 1873 hamilton lanark

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Re: Lookup Margaret MARTIN (Nee DOCHERTY) - Hamilton/ Glasgow
« Reply #4 on: Friday 14 August 09 02:45 BST (UK) »
Thank you all for the information supplied. The picture certainly holds more clues to it than I had expected, in particular the symbolic nature of the items she is wearing and the flowers she is holding. From the information kindly supplied it would certainly fit in with the death of one of her earlier children (George in 1868?)

Thank you for sharing your time and knowledge. I will now endeavor to follow the leds provided and I have no doubt if I can track down the Worldconnect link there will be other long lost relatives who will enjoy seeing this image.

Many thanks

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Re: Lookup Margaret MARTIN (Nee DOCHERTY) - Hamilton/ Glasgow
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 12 August 14 17:56 BST (UK) »
Hello

I am very interested in the photo of Margaret Docherty as she would have been a relative of mine. May I ask please if there is anything additional on the back of the photo that you can post. Also if you have any additional information.

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Re: Lookup Margaret MARTIN (Nee DOCHERTY) - Hamilton/ Glasgow
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 26 August 14 06:27 BST (UK) »
Hi,

Im looking for some information and i think you might have some clues for me, recently my partners grandmother passed away (Anne Docherty Martin, Born 1959), we have been looking for some information on her family we know her fathers name is James Martin (birth date unknown) Married to Catherine Patterson Ramadge Aird. while looking i sumtbled across your post while googling and we have been wondering where Annes middle name "docherty" came from and i belive she has some connection to margaret docherty  if you have anything that could help me that would be great!

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Re: Lookup Margaret MARTIN (Nee DOCHERTY) - Hamilton/ Glasgow
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 26 August 14 07:19 BST (UK) »
Hi

I will help if I can. James Martin b.1837, d.1898. married Margaret Docherty 15th July 1858 in Ary. James and Margaret had at least eight children. It may be possible that your line descends from there. You will find that family names are often continued in each generation. eg. James Thomas Martin b.1861. Thomas Martin b.1875.

Do you have any additional information/clues? location, relatives names etc.

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Re: Lookup Margaret MARTIN (Nee DOCHERTY) - Hamilton/ Glasgow
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 26 August 14 08:45 BST (UK) »
I hope so to! We really don't have much more information than that we don't know James martins birth date but we know he had Anne in 1939 (correction I think I said 59 last message) and died before she was 17 in 1957 he also had another child Terence born 1941 so somewhere between then he immigrated to America leaving his family behind. We don't know what his parents names were but it stuck something with us with Anne's middle name being docherty and believing it came from a relatives name.