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incorrect relationship or early starters?
« on: Wednesday 05 May 04 10:29 BST (UK) »
morning all,
on searching the 1871 census for Anglesey, I came across the following. As there is such a wealth of knowledge here, I thought I pose the Genealogical question.

All info in the census seems fine and tallies up with other sources. All except for one: Hugh Jones, the grandson, aged 7. Now as David is only 24 and his wife 25, I think this would be pushing things a bit, albeit maybe biologically possible.

Has anyone a sensible suggestion of what the proper relationship could be?

1871 Wales Census, Anglesey, Llanfaelog
# of Schedule, Road/Street: Tynlon
Reg Dist: Anglesey, Sub Reg: Brynwan
RG10/5744, ED 15, Folio 35, Page 2

WILLIAMS
David, Head, M, 24, labourer, b Heneglwys, Anglesey
Dulcibella, wife, 25, M, b Llanfaelog, Anglesey
Hugh David, son, 3, b Llanrwst, Denbighshire
Ellen Ann dau, 8 mos, b Llanfaelog, Anglesey

OWEN
Margreat, servant, 12, b Llanfaelog, Anglesey

JONES
Hugh, grandson, 7, b Holyhead, Anglesey.

D ap D
Stuck with:
William Williams of Llanllyfni
John Jones in Llanelli
Evan Evans in Caio
David Davies of Llansanffraid
Evans: Caio/Carms
Jones: CDG, DEN

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Re:incorrect relationship or early starters?
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 05 May 04 13:48 BST (UK) »
Hi D ap D

That is biologically impossible.
With children of 3 and 8 months - not possible for them to give birth to a child who is now 7 years old.

It is obviously a mistake the enumerator made when copying from the original to the returns we see now.

As the wife is 25, could she possibly have been married before and this is her child from that marriage - and his relationship to the Head of the house should be shown as 'Stepson' rather than 'Grandson'

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« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 05 May 04 14:04 BST (UK) »
Chris,

I think the biological part would be pushing things to the extreme- Dulci would have had to have given birth when she was 9, HER daughter again at 9, and that would give a son aged 7.

I think the step son relationship is probably the best bet. Its the most logical anyway. That now gives me another line to research, should I get bored sometime.

Thanks

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Stuck with:
William Williams of Llanllyfni
John Jones in Llanelli
Evan Evans in Caio
David Davies of Llansanffraid
Evans: Caio/Carms
Jones: CDG, DEN

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Re:incorrect relationship or early starters?
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 05 May 04 14:14 BST (UK) »
I think the biological part would be pushing things to the extreme- Dulci would have had to have given birth when she was 9, HER daughter again at 9, and that would give a son aged 7.

Not even the remotest possibility - the idea is not worth thinking about!!

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« Reply #4 on: Thursday 06 May 04 07:54 BST (UK) »
Hi D ap D,
Another possibility would be that Hugh is the younger brother of Dulci.  So the relationship should read, ' brother-in-law'.  That would give you the maiden name for Dulci as Jones.  Wish you luck on that one, coming from Wales :D

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Re:incorrect relationship or early starters?
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 06 May 04 14:36 BST (UK) »
I have once seen "Godson" on a census - blimey help me I can't remember were.

I Wales and the border country (mainly SALOP) I have a wealth of distant relatives all staying in each other's houses.  It can make it quite complicated.

Overlaid to that is the errors!

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