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Re: Micheal Collins and 'The Squad'.
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 21 November 09 19:33 GMT (UK) »
Hi Alan

Reference a Edward Byrne who fought with Collins during the the period 1916-22, I'm reading a book, entitled Michael Collins's Intelligence War, written by Michael T Foy and published by Sutton Publishing. In does mention an Eddie Byrne working with a Vinnie Byrne on a job! The author also used a number of 'Witness Statements' now held in Military Archives, Cathal Brugha Bks, Dublin (Viewing is by appointment only).

My uncle does recall my grandfather, Patrick Lawson having a old IRA friend - Vinnie Byrne and they both use to go a a old IRA club in Dublin City during the 50s, 60s and early 70s.

Reference the Byrne family in James St! You should check out the 1911 census online to get the names of Eddie Byrne's parents and siblings. Like you, my great grand father was a George Byrne and I'm having difficulty in locating his Dublin address in 1911. Ironically, he joined the British Army in 1914 (I think) and the family folklore states that he fought in the Battle of the Somme in 1916.

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Re: Micheal Collins and 'The Squad'.
« Reply #19 on: Monday 23 November 09 11:29 GMT (UK) »
Hi Striker,

Thanks for the info', I'll order a copy of that book from my local library.  I don't know if you've tried this avenue but it's possible to get information Under the (Irish) Freedom of Information Act from the Military Pension 'people' (I think they're based in Sligo, i'll have a look for the address in my papers and post it here later this week - in my experience they were not 'overly' helpful but they did provide photocopies of his Military Pension Application once i'd 'jumped through the correct hoops' - i applied using my Mother's details as she was my Grandfather's next-of-kin and i think any application had to come from that person themselves or their next-of-kin so you may have to get your uncle to sign any application) - my Grandfather applied for a pension for his IRA/IRB military service during the 1916-1924 period and, in spite of a fairly comprehensive raft of evidence and testimonials indicating he was active from 1916 onwards, it was only awarded from 1919 'Service' onwards (I'm not sure what 'side' my Grandfather was on in the 1921-24 Civil War and suspect that there may have been a 'political' decision to marginalise those on the 'wrong side' and this may have 'cost him' some pension when he applied for it) which always rankled with him afterwards. 

I can appreciate the irony of your great grandfather joining the British army - my grandfather had a 1914-1919 Merchant Navy Medal from the British Government and also a 1917-1921 Service Medal from the Irish Government!

Best of luck in your searches.

Alan

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Re: Micheal Collins and 'The Squad'.
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 03 March 10 21:19 GMT (UK) »
46 Rutland Square The Squad was ‘officially’ established on 19 September 1919 at
this address (though by that time it had been in operation for two months and had
already carried out two killings). Members were paid £4.10s per week.
The first four members were: Ben Barrett, Paddy Daly (Paddy Ó Dalaigh, sometimes
said to have succeeded Mick McDonnell as leader, but usually considered the
leader 876; he became a major general in the national army. See also Ballyseedy
Cross, Appendix I), Seán Doyle and Joe Leonard (came right behind Daly in the
chain of command). Other ‘original’ members were Mick McDonnell (described
by some as the first leader), James Conroy, Jim McGuinness, Jimmy Slattery (a
Clareman with only one hand, after being injured in the Custom House fire) and
William ‘Billy’ Stapleton (a Dubliner)877. Added to the ‘original’ nine after a few
months to form ‘The Twelve Apostles’ (a name first applied, derisively, by Austin
Stack) were Vinnie Byrne, Tom Keogh (from Wicklow, later killed in the Civil
War) and Mick O’Reilly.878
Others were added in January 1920 and thereafter, and were chosen for ‘jobs’
as needed. Not all did many ‘jobs’ for Collins, and many were members of various
Dublin units who were picked by Collins to assist the ‘regular’ Squad members;
this was particularly true on Bloody Sunday. In 1921 several more were added and
when men from the Dublin ‘Active Service Unit’ were included the unit was then
known as ‘The Guard’. Those sometimes chosen were: Frank Bolster, J. Brennan,
Ned Breslin, Ben Byrne, Charlie Byrne (a Dubliner called ‘The Count’ because of
his cheerful mien in all situations), Eddie Byrne, Seán (John Anthony) Caffrey,
Patrick (Paddy) Colgan (from Maynooth, Co. Kildare, he married Delia Larkin),
James Connolly, Herbie Conroy, Jim Conway (the ‘one-man column’), Andy
Cooney, Seán Culhane, Tom Cullen (a teetotaler), Charlie Dalton (he was the
brother of Emmet Dalton and wrote With the Dublin Brigade about his experiences
as a member), Jim Dempsey (a Dubliner and an old IRB man who fought in the
Rising), Joe Dolan (another Dubliner, always armed with a .45 and wore a British
876 Leonard, Joseph. Witness Statement 547. 877 Stapleton, William J. (Bill). ‘Michael Collins’ Squad’,
Capuchin Annual, 1969. 878 Leornard indicates the ‘original’ twelve were O’Daly, Leonard, Barrett, Doyle,
Kehoe, Slattery, O’Reilly, Eddie Byrne, Vinnie Byrne, Ben Byrne, Eddie Byrne and Frank Bolster. Leonard,
Joseph. Witness Statement 547.
46 Rutland Square 257
Army badge in his lapel), Joe Dowling, Pat Drury, Tom Duffy, John Dunne, Leo
Dunne, Tom Ennis, Mick Flanagan, Paddy Flanagan (the oldest member of The
Squad), Paddy Griffin, Jack Hanlon, Seán Kavanagh (a Dubliner and later a prison
governor), Ned Kelliher (a Dubliner), Mick Kennedy, Paddy Kennedy (from
Tipperary), Martin Lavan, Paddy Lawson, Seán Lemass (the future Taoiseach),
Billy McClean, Pat McCrae (a great driver), Pat McKeon, Peadar McMahon (later
Chief of Staff of the Free State Army), Mick O’Hanlon, Diarmuid O’Hegarty (a
Corkman and Director of Organisation of the IRA/Volunteers), Bob O’Neill (a
Clareman), Albert Rutherford, Frank Saurin (a Dubliner, known as the best-dressed
Volunteer), Frank Teeling, Liam Tobin (became assistant in the Department of
Intelligence), George White and Johnny Wilson.

This comes from my book, Dublin in Rebellion.

http://www.lilliputpress.ie/author.html?author=Connell%2C+Joseph+E.A.

If I can be of help searching, I often have notes and info from the period that can be helpful -- though I must admit this source is most complete.

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Re: Micheal Collins and 'The Squad'.
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 04 March 10 18:52 GMT (UK) »
Hi folks, I have just come across this thread. There are some interesting people on it, some of whom I know from the Custom House thread. Patrick Lawson is one of the names on my list.

And I think this must be the Edward Byrne:

“The death has occurred of Mr E. Byrne, 19 Grenville St, Dublin. Member of C Co, 2nd Batt. DB took part in the attack on the Custom House. During the Civil War he was interned and participated in a hunger strike.” Irish Independent, Friday, Jan 08, 1932.

Am I right?  :)


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Re: Micheal Collins and 'The Squad'.
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 09 March 10 13:26 GMT (UK) »
Hi Striker,
               I think I spoke with you before regarding your grandfather?
I located the grave and also have a copy of his statement from military archives
which you are most welcome to? Also I take it thats his photo?
Any chance of a copy?
Still working on my project locating the graves and photos of these men which will be hosted on the Collins22 site. They should never be forgotton and this project will make sure of that. With of course your kind permission to use your photo?

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Re: Micheal Collins and 'The Squad'.
« Reply #23 on: Monday 15 March 10 22:05 GMT (UK) »
Hi, my grandfathers uncle was Joe Leonard and he has quite a bit of info about him if anyone wants some of it for a project or anything?

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Re: Micheal Collins and 'The Squad'.
« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 16 March 10 00:32 GMT (UK) »
Hi Simokav, I know its a longshot but does the name Johnny Wilson ring a bell? I heard Joe mentioned him in a statement. Also I would like to know what did Joe do after his Squad days was he a Freestate officer ? & what did he do after the army?
Gary
 
Deering Dublin,Hickey Dublin,Wilson Dublin,Murphy Dublin/Carlow.

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Re: Micheal Collins and 'The Squad'.
« Reply #25 on: Tuesday 16 March 10 15:24 GMT (UK) »
I'll find out during the week from my grandfather.

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Re: Micheal Collins and 'The Squad'.
« Reply #26 on: Tuesday 16 March 10 17:25 GMT (UK) »
Thanks, we never hear these things,its always about who they plugged during the War of Independence & thats it !
Deering Dublin,Hickey Dublin,Wilson Dublin,Murphy Dublin/Carlow.