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British Regiments Stationed in Ireland
« on: Monday 14 September 09 08:39 BST (UK) »
This information could be of use to people looking for ancestors that are missing from censuses


INFANTRY REGIMENTS STATIONED IN TIPPERARY TOWN, 1840 to 1878, BEFORE "THE BARRACKS" WERE BUILT.
1840 70th. Infantry Regiment known after 1881 as 2nd. Battalion, The East Surrey Regiment
1840 74th. Infantry Regiment known after 1881 as 2nd.Battalion, The Highland Light Infantry (HLI)
1840 43rd. Infantry Regiment known after 1881 as 1st. Battalion, The Oxfordshire Light Infantry
1844 30th. Infantry Regiment known after 1881 as 1st. Battalion, The East Lancashire Regiment
1844 15th. Infantry Regiment known after 1881 as The East Yorkshire Regiment
1844 61st. Infantry Regiment known after 1881 as 2nd. Battalion, The Gloucestershire Regiment
1846 83rd. Infantry Regiment known after 1881 as 1st. Battalion, The Royal Irish Rifles
1846 5th. Infantry Regiment known after 1881 as The Northumberland Fusiliers
1846 70th. Infantry Regiment known after 1881 as 2nd. Battalion, The East Surrey Regiment
1847 64th. Infantry Regiment known after 1881 as 1st. Battalion, The North Staffordhire Regiment
1848 43rd. Infantry Regiment known after 1881 as 1st. BattalionThe Oxfordshire & Buckinghamshire Light Infantry
1848 47th. Infantry Regiment known after 1881 as 1st. Battalion, The Royal North Lancashire Regiment
1850 1st. Infantry Regiment known after 1881 as The Royal Scots (Lothian Regiment)
1857 36th. Infantry Regiment known after 1881 as 2nd. Battalion,The Worcestershire Regiment
1867 17th. Infantry Regiment known after 1881 as The Leicestershire Regiment
1868 48th. Infantry Regiment known after 1881 as 1st. Battalion, The Northamptonshire Regiment
1869 44th. Infantry Regiment known after 1881 as 1st. Battalion, The Essex Regiment
1870 87th. Infantry Regiment known after 1881 as 1st. Battalion, The Royal Irish Fusiliers
1872 20th. Infantry Regiment known after 1881 as The Lancashire Fusiliers
1872 31st. Infantry Regiment known after 1881 as 1st. Battalion, The East Surrey Regiment
1877   The South Tipperary Militia
1879   The South Tipperary Militia

 

INFANTRY REGIMENTS WHICH SERVED IN TIPPERARY BARRACKS 1879 - 1922
1879-1880 15th. Infantry Regiment known after 1881 as 1st. Battalion The East Yorkshire Regiment
1881-1883 48th. Infantry Regiment known after 1881 as 1st. Battalion, The Northamptonshire Regiment
1883-1885 76th. Infantry Regiment later known as 2nd. Battalion, The West Riding Regiment (Yorkshire)
1885-1887 6th. Infantry Regiment later known as 2nd. Battalion, The Royal Warwickshire Regiment
1887-1888 69th. Infantry Regiment later known as 2nd. Battalion, The Welsh Regiment
1888-1891 63rd. Infantry Regiment later known as 1st. Battalion,The Manchester Regiment
1891-1893 70th. Infantry Regiment later known as 2nd. Battalion, The East Surrey Regiment
1893-1894 72nd. Infantry Regiment later known as 1st. Battalion, The Seaforth Highlanders
1896-1897 100th. Infantry Regiment later known as 1st. Battalion, The Leinster Regiment
1897-1900  15th. Infantry Regiment later known as 2nd. Battalion, The East Yorkshire Regiment
1900-1903 3rd. Battalion Militia later known as The Shropshire Light Infantry (SLI)
1901-1903 3rd. Battalion Militia later known as The Royal Warwickshire Regiment
1903-1904 3rd. Battalion Militia later known as The Worcestershire Regiment
1904-1906 4th. Battalion Militia later known as The Lancashire Fusiliers
1908-1910 94th. Infantry Regiment later known as 2nd. Battalion, The Connaught Rangers
1910-1913 3rd. Battalion Militia later known as The Rifle Brigade
1913-1914 53rd.Infantry Regiment later known as The Shropshire Light Infantry (SLI)
1914-1918 H.Q. 49th.Brigade, 16th. Irish Division 7th. & 8th. Battalions, Royal Irish Fusiliers
1914-1918 H.Q. 49th.Brigade, 16th. Irish Division 7th. & 8th. Battalions, Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers
1919-1920 96th. Infantry Regiment later known as 2nd. Battalion, The Manchester Regiment
1919-1922 19th. Infantry Regiment later known as 2nd. Battalion The Yorkshire Regiment, also known as The Green Howards.
1919-1922 10th. Infantry Regiment later known as 1st. Battalion, The Lincolnshire Regiment
1919-1922 52nd. Infantry Regiment later known as 2nd. Battalion, The Oxford & Buckinghamshire Light Infantry
1922 (2 weeks "relief duty") 1st. Battalion, The Royal Warwickshire Regiment
1922 The last British military personnel to evacuate Tipperary Town & Barracks 1st. Battalion, The Lincolnshire Regiment (10th. Infantry Regiment)

 


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Re: British Regiments Stationed in Ireland
« Reply #1 on: Monday 11 May 20 02:54 BST (UK) »
 Royal Welsh/Welch Fusiliers 

1st Battalion
Toured Ireland before embarking for India in 1880
Cork 1907

2nd Battalion
Templemore 1883
Fermoy 1885
Galway 1887
Castlebar 1888
Curragh 1889

Sources:
The Royal Welch Fusiliers Museum website
https://rwfmuseum.org.uk/history.html

Army Service Numbers blogspot
https://armyservicenumbers.blogspot.com/2011/05/royal-welsh-fusiliers-1881-1914-1st-2nd.html?m=1
According the the museum website 2nd Battalion arrived in Ireland in 1883 and remained until 1892.

Pay and muster books for some of those years are in National Archives
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Royal Welsh Fusiliers were 23rd Foot Regiment until 1881.
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Re: British Regiments Stationed in Ireland
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 06 July 21 03:00 BST (UK) »
I am after information on the 70th regiment of Foot, my ancestor Robert Chalmers b 1790 Girvan Ayrshire, joined the army in December 1813. the story goes that he was a soldier until a year or so before his death in 1836 in Glasgow. We understand one child at least was born in Ireland, possibly two, Samuel b 1827/1828 . Roberts wife was Sarah (Jelly from Ayrshire) and we wondered would a wife have accompanied Robert in his postings in Ireland etc? He seems to have been able to father 5 children during his service! Any further information on this regiment appreciated to try and unravel this mystery

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Re: British Regiments Stationed in Ireland
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 06 July 21 15:17 BST (UK) »
We understand one child at least was born in Ireland, possibly two, Samuel b 1827/1828 . Roberts wife was Sarah (Jelly from Ayrshire) and we wondered would a wife have accompanied Robert in his postings in Ireland etc? He seems to have been able to father 5 children during his service! Any further information on this regiment appreciated to try and unravel this mystery

What was his rank?
A small number* of wives were allowed to accompany their husbands. They lived in married quarters which were very basic. If too many men applied to take their wives a ballot was held to select the number allowed. Some wives went unofficially and lived outside the barracks.
There's information in some threads on RootsChat Armed forces board.
Do you know where in Ireland Samuel was born?
If Robert spent any part of his Irish service in Ulster, he may have nipped over to Girvan on leave.

*Added: 6 wives per 100 infantrymen. See my next post for source. 
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Re: British Regiments Stationed in Ireland
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 06 July 21 16:05 BST (UK) »
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=849746.9
My reply #10 includes information about women at the Curragh Camp
https://www.historyireland.com/18th-19th-century-history/the-curragh-army-camp/

You may find the website "Irish Garrison Towns - Stories of Soldiers on Irish streets" interesting.
irishgarrisontowns.com
An article "Barrack burial grounds and military families in County Cork" mentions the large number of children's graves.

"British Military Barracks in County Cork" by Michael Cronin on Rootsweb.com describes living conditions in British Army barracks 1815-1880, followed by a list of barracks in County Cork. A source is "Barrack Life" by Peter Burroughs in "The Oxford Illustrated History of the British Army" editor David Chandler. It says marriage for rank & file was discouraged. A soldier was supposed to obtain permission from his commanding officer to marry. Wives might be "on the strength" of the regiment or not "on the strength". Those "on the strength" were entitled to half-rations. Official roll for wives was restricted to 6 per 100 infantrymen.
An internet search for British military barracks in County Cork will find more sources of information. A similar search, substituting names of other counties may turn up sources.
Example:  "Garrison Regiments -the Crown Forces" - Waterford County Museum
https://www.waterfordmuseum.ie
   
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Re: British Regiments Stationed in Ireland
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 06 July 21 16:55 BST (UK) »
Historical background to events in Ireland when Robert Chalmers may have been there.
Campaign for Catholic emancipation, led by Daniel O'Connell, ongoing 1823-1828.
1825 Unlawful Societies (Ireland) Act proscribed the Catholic Association and the Orange Order. British Government feared outbreak of civil war in Ireland.
1825 Paddle steamers introduced Portpatrick-Donaghadee route.
British Army began detailed survey of Ireland in 1820s resulting in Ordnance survey maps.
1827 Beggar's Bush Barracks, Dublin, British Army training depot completed.
1829 Riot in Belfast
1830 Potato crop failed. Widespread hunger & distress. Thefts of flour. Food riots Limerick and Leitrim.
1830 Violent confrontations between Orangemen and Ribbonmen in counties Armagh and Derry.
1830 Start of Tithe War.

Military were involved in some of those events. Also guarding convicts prior to transportation.
Internet search for Spike Island will give more information + illustrations.
Local newspapers are a source of information about movements and activities of a regiment.
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Re: British Regiments Stationed in Ireland 70th Foot
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 07 July 21 07:13 BST (UK) »
I discovered more about Robert Chalmers from Girvan yesterday, including the fact that he went thru his entire army service with his surname spelt incorrectly as Robert  "Chambers" , his regimental number was 136 and he enlisted and joined the main battalion in Perth 21 June 1814. later that year he was sent to Kingston in Canada until December 1814. he was demoted from Corporal to Private in 1816 and there appears to be a gap in his service until 1826 when he was on detachment in Montreal Canada (Captain Kelsalls Company). This gap coincides with the birth of his 2 daughters IN 1818 AND 1821.
- He then ends up in Ireland 1828-1830 in Dublin.
-1833-1834 Kilmaganny, Kilkenny and Cork in March 1834.
-He was lastly posted to the depot (?) from April until 6th September 1835, he didnt take a long service pension however took a small lump sum.
Sadly this is why his wife Sarah may have ended up in Barnhill Poorhouse, Glasgow, where she died, unable to work after a stroke and with no money to support her.
- One year after being discharged from service Robert died , in 1836, leaving 5 children apparently destitute.
The reason I have followed this 3 x G Grandfather is to find these children which I now have, after they worked from age 7 in a workhouse in Glasgow. Life was pretty heartbreaking back then. The information I gathered yesterday was compiled by a private family historian employed by a relative of mine here in Australia. So very keen to piece together this branch of my family history, any info most appreciated.

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Re: British Regiments Stationed in Ireland 70th Foot
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 07 July 21 13:29 BST (UK) »

- He then ends up in Ireland 1828-1830 in Dublin.
-1833-1834 Kilmaganny, Kilkenny and Cork in March 1834.
-He was lastly posted to the depot (?) from April until 6th September 1835, he didnt take a long service pension however took a small lump sum.
Sadly this is why his wife Sarah may have ended up in Barnhill Poorhouse, Glasgow, where she died, unable to work after a stroke and with no money to support her.
- One year after being discharged from service Robert died , in 1836, leaving 5 children apparently destitute.


Perhaps at Beggars Bush Barracks in Dublin?
Huge numbers of soldiers in County Cork including military establishments on islands in Cobh (then called Queenstown) harbour.
A source in my reply 4 says that although a private was paid 1 shilling per day he may have actually received very little after deductions.
Some wives who lived outside barracks and weren't "on the strength" may have been left without support when the regiment moved on, perhaps abroad for years.
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Re: British Regiments Stationed in Ireland
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 08 July 21 16:33 BST (UK) »
I am after information on the 70th regiment of Foot, my ancestor ...  joined the army in 1813. the story goes that he was a soldier until a year or so before his death in 1836 .

Someone else researching ancestor in 70th Foot around same time has posted a topic "Army orphans". His went to Gibraltar after Ireland.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=850746.0
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