Disappearing ancestors!

[shan42]

Ooooooh!!!! Thankyou thankyou Jool - you're a diamond!!! 

I'll look at that tomorrow!

[shan42]

Right..so.. Elizabeth Solloway must be erroneously recorded as daughter-in-law, but she must be Wm & Sarah Irish's daughter, and Edward Solloway the son-in-law.
For Wm Mitchell to be the Irish's nephew, and Elizabeth & Edward's cousin, he must be the child of William Irish's sister, who must then have married a Mitchell.

The marriage records I can access on Ancestry only allow me to see either the bride or groom's name.

The gov't records site comes up "unable to find website" so I couldn't order William & his wife's marriage certificate even if I knew the date they wed!

[CatOne]

Would this marriage fit?

Jane Irish and William Mitchell June 1879 Bromsgrove 6c 491


Also how does Mitchell/Irish family fit in??

1871 RG10/3072 Folio 99 Page 11
B...nheath Parish Hill, Bromsgrove, Worcestershire
William Mitchill widr 34 Nailer Bromsgrove
Sarah A dau 13 Nailer Bromsgrove
Arther son 10 Nailer Bromsgrove
Walter son 8 Bromsgrove
Jane Irish mar 30 boarder Bromsgrove (Jane is nee Devonport, see 1861 census)
Ann M Irish 4 Boarder Bromsgrove
Sarah A Irish 10mo? Boarder Bromsgrove

Is your William the son of the above William and his first (deceased) wife (Margaret according to 1861 census, also next door is Benjamin and Sarah senior found by Jool)??

[shan42]

Thanks Cat One, but no it's not him in that marriage...

William Mitchell married Rosina (Rose) Rainsford around 1889..

I don't think I even saw that family in the 1871 - Thank you! Could be...!

[Manchester Rambler]

Marriages Jun 1889
MITCHELL   William           
RAINSFORD   Rose Hannah   
Aston 6d 500   

If you find one "half" of a marriage on Free BMD http://freebmd.rootsweb.com you can click on the page number to see the other people listed on the same page, one of whom will be the spouse.  (Usually there's 2 men and 2 women.)

The GRO site is back up and running now - it was offline for a while yesterday/earlier today.

[shan42]

Thankyou MR!! That's them! 

I keep finding loads of Mitchells & their variant spellings now, but not the ones I need..aaaargh! Lol!!

[Jool]

Hi Shan, just had a thought about how your William could be related to Will & Sarah Irish.

As you said the obvious relationship is that William is the son of William Irish's sister and her Mitchell husband.

But he could be Sarah Irish's nephew, i.e. the son of her sister and a Mitchell husband, or maybe Sarah's maiden name was Mitchell and William could be the son of her brother and his wife.  Hope this makes sense.

I'm not sure how the enumerator would have listed the nephew of the wife of the head of the household, maybe is was just easy to put nephew.

I have looked for a Mitchell/Irish marriage before 1864 when William was born but so far no luck.

We need to find Sarah Irish's maiden name to narrow down the search.  I'll get on the case now.

Jool

[Jool]

There is a marriage of a William Irish to a Sarah Ward at St. Mary's, Oldswinford on 30 Dec 1837, this fits nicely with the birth of their daughter Elizabeth in 1841(ish).  Can't find another marriage of a William Irish to a Sarah at the right time.

Jool

[shan42]

Once again thanks to you Jool
I'd ruled out Sarah being a Mitchell as I couldn't find any Sarah Mitchells, nor siblings for W. Irish, nor a definite for W. Mitchell's parents, but The marriage you have found is a strong possibility so now I have another lead - well done for that cos I couldn't find it! It all frazzled my brain I tell ya, lol!!
I will have to order William M's marriage certificate but am doing all this on a budget of practically nothing, so you can see how your help is invaluable and I am so very appreciative of it