St. John's Hackney

[behindthefrogs]

Were the marriages by banns or licence?

Certainly by the middle of the 19th century there was a certain snobbery in the choice of where to get married.  The children of the better classes, for example farmers, seemed to deliberately get married in nice church and away from the eyes of the local riff raff.

I have number of examples of people who lived in what are now the outer suburbs but were then still country going to places like Kensington and Paddington for their weddings.
The marriages were often by licence to avoid banns being called back in the home church although an accomodation (suitcase) address was also sometimes used for the banns.  This latter example can often be detected by both parties living at the same but obvious unlikely address.

David

[wonkiewidge]

Hi David,

I got the information from the Pallots index. Unfortunately, I omitted to make a note of whether they were by banns or licence.

Does the Pallots index state this information? I can't remember. Now the original records are coming on line I'll have to have a look.

I was wondering whether it may have been a case of one up manship, especially for the Excise officer, but wasn't so sure about the weaver.

Thanks for the info,

Linda

[Sylviaann]

This is interesting.

1821 census Hackney
England George Bohemia Place Carpenter 1 male 2 female

1811 Hackney

England George Bells Yard Carpenter

1831 Poplar
 England Harrry  5 Phoebe Place Caulker 3male 3 female

Someone else has early Bethnal Green census

Also found these.
1839 Pigots directory

England
George   painter and glazier, Hoxton square
Henry   Rising sun PH Old Kent road
Jno Mortimer   Eating Housr, 120 Whitechapel Rd
Joseph   builder 1 Wilmott Street, Russell Square
Louis   builder & timber merchant Shepperton Street
Robt   dairyman 4 Little Bruton St, berkeley Square
Robt   pawnbroker 256 High St & 6 Redlion St Borough
Samuel    Hole in the wall PH 2 Kirby St Hatton garden
Thos    Clothes dealer 9 Paed St Edgeware Rd
Thos    merchant 7 George Yard Lombard St
Thomas, carpenter &c 23 Goswell St
and
England George engineer, locksmith and bellhanger 27 Gloucester Terrace Vauxhall Bridge Road

Might not be any connection.

Sylviaann

[wonkiewidge]

Hi Sylviaann,

I don't think any of these are connected, but they do seem to be in the right sort of trade though,  thanks for looking.
From the info I have, George England was born in Pancras around 1861. By 1891 he was a tiler. His father John was also a tiler (from George's marriage certificate), but I have not been able to find any trace of John, or of George before 1881.

The first trace I have of George is in the 1881 census in Pancras aged 20.

This is doing my head in aaarrghhh................

Perhaps the Aliens beemed him down from outer space?
God that would mean I'm descended from an Alien! 
That would explain a lot. 
Cheers,

Linda