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grandfather's roots
« on: Friday 16 October 09 22:03 BST (UK) »
I am searching without success, for my Grandfather Charles West, who, on the 1911 census he says he was born in Frensham Surrey. I have searched all records on-line and also personally at the National Archives and at Farnham Parish records for Frensham. Charles states his Father was Richard. Can anyone please help with his birth or parents. I know he was in the Royal Engineers from 1905 to 1908, he married Edith Clara Humphrey in New Romney in 1909, after her death in Cranbrook in 1918 he married Victoria Maud Ruth Bailey in 1919. He was a platelayer on Military Railway in Lydd from 1908 to 1911 when he joined Kent Police He was re-called to the colours in 1913 returning to the police in 1918. He left the Police Force in 1922. He had 2 sons Edward Charles born New Romney 1910 and Ernest Richard Gordon born Cranbrook 1921. I would dearly love to know who his parents were and what happened to him after 1922. Thanks in anticipation.

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Re: grandfather's roots
« Reply #1 on: Friday 16 October 09 22:05 BST (UK) »
Hello and a warm welcome :)

How old was Charles in 1911?

Anna
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: grandfather's roots
« Reply #2 on: Friday 16 October 09 22:07 BST (UK) »
Also, when did Charles say his father was Richard?  Was this on a marriage certificate?  If so, what was Richard's occupation said to be?

Anna
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: grandfather's roots
« Reply #3 on: Friday 16 October 09 22:12 BST (UK) »
hello and Welcome to RootsChat

You haven't stated the y.o.b. of Charles

there is this one
1891
4 The Close
Winchester Hampshire
Charles West Boarder 11 Cathedral Chorister and Scholar Frensham Surrey
RG12 937 45 2

there are about a dozen people in the household

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Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England
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Re: grandfather's roots
« Reply #4 on: Friday 16 October 09 22:13 BST (UK) »
Hi Tawny Owl

Welcome to Rootschat

Would he not be this one ???

1901 - Wood Hill, Frensham, Surrey

Eliza WEST head wid 47 b.Chiddingfold Surrey
William son 20 labourer  bricklayer b.Frensham
Charles son 17 general carter b.Frensham
Richard Jeffry son 10 b.Frensham
Martha dau 8 b.Frensham
Dorothy dau 6 b.Frensham

RG13/616 folio 79 page 17
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In the 1881 census Eliza's husband is Richard.

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Re: grandfather's roots
« Reply #5 on: Friday 16 October 09 22:22 BST (UK) »
Hi

In the 1881 there is this one RG 11/789/62/4

Charles W West 36 Bayswater Elementary teacher
Fanny West  25
Charles H      1     West Frensham

address: School House Frensham

I think this is probably the Charles at the school in Winchester in 1891
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Re: grandfather's roots
« Reply #6 on: Friday 16 October 09 22:29 BST (UK) »
I agree - the one at Winchester looks like he is the son of Charles W

This looks loke the family from 1901 in 1891 - but the children are a bit of a puzzle

1891
(next to) Wood Hill Farm Frensham Surrey
Richard West head M 34 carter
Eliza wife 36 Chiddingfold Surrey
William son 11
Matilda daughter 9
jeffry? son 8
Jesse ? 7

all b frensham-excpt Eliza
RG12 570 88 13
Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England
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Re: grandfather's roots
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 17 October 09 01:28 BST (UK) »
There are 2 who meet your born Frensham in 1911 cens.  Which one do you think it is, Charles Harold, Lancashire, or Charles no mid name, Kent?

If the former, he was born Jun qtr 1879 and his parents were Charles W. and Fanny Sturt (see http://www.sturt.nsw.edu.au/sturt_history.htm), but I suspect this is not your man.

Is father's name from a marriage cert you have in hand?  If so it is probably correct.

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McLellan - Inverness
Greer - Renfrewshire
Manson - Aberdeen & Orkney
Simpson - Hereford, Devon, etc.
Flett - Orkney
Chisholm - Scotland
Wishart - Orkney
Shand - Aberdeen
Pirie - Aberdeen

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Re: grandfather's roots
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 17 October 09 11:22 BST (UK) »
Hi to all who replied to my 'looking for Grandfather Charles West'
I have come across Charles at Winchester, he is not the correct one.
Charles was 31 on 1911 census. His wife is Edith Clara, and his son Edward Charles is my Father. That is all correct. On his marriage certificates of 1909 and 1919 he states his Father is Richard who was an Engine Driver. Now, if the Frensham family at Wood Hill are where he belongs, some of the dates are confusing. Eliza was a widow in 1901 and her Richard died in 1897.
Charles birth does not appear to have been registered. I suspect he was born 1881/2.   He had an older sibling William b. 1880 whose birth I could not verify but I did find Martha and Dorothy. All other info is from census returns which I know cannot aways be relied on.
Thank you for your help. 
Tawny Owl
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