grandfather's roots

[suzard]

I wonder if the Richard Jeffry West (age 10) in 1901 is really Richard jesse??

Birth reg freeBMD
Richard jesse West
Sept qtr 1889
Farnham
2a 126

suz

[suzard]

There is a marriage FreeBMD

Richard J West
Lucy R Hopwood
Sept qtr 1914
Farnahm
2a 304

Suz

[suzard]

I am wondering if the family used their middle names r.g. Jesse - for Richard Jesse

1891 there is a daughter matilda West age 9

this looks like her in 1901
Mariners Inn Frensham
Fanny Matilda West servant U 19 General domestic Frensham
RG13 616 75 10

and to complicate more

her birth reh

Esther Fanny M West
Dec qtr 1881
Farnham
2a 127

think the Father Richard had the middle name of John -and mother had a middle name according to 1881 census

Suz

[suzard]

Is this a possiility??

Jesse West age 7 in 1891 is the same person as Charles west age 17 in 1901

his full name being Nicholas Charles jesse West

Birth reg
FreeBMD
Nicholas Charles J West
Jun qtr 1884
Farnham
2a 121

(I have a family  in my tree -11 children -all with 2/3/4 forenames and they used one or the other of their forenames -not always the same one!!

Suz

[Ermintrude46]

On his marriage certificates of 1909 and 1919 he states his Father is Richard who was an Engine Driver. Now, if the Frensham family at Wood Hill are where he belongs, some of the dates are confusing. Eliza was a widow in 1901 and her Richard died in 1897.

Just because Charles gives his father's name and occupation for his marriage certificates it doesn't necessarily follow that his father was alive and working in that occupation at the time of the marriage(s).  The registrar would only add that father was deceased to the certificate if told, it is not a requirement to state whether father is alive at the marriage.
Ermy

[tawny owl]

Yes, I do believe that Charles belongs in the Wood Hill Frensham family. I am just looking for proof. He is with them in 1901 census but not in 1891. I have found a Charles West age 9 in the Childrens Hospital at The Bank in Hornsey Middx on the 1891 census, I wonder whether that is him. If it is, it still does not confirm to me that he is my Grandfather. Although it is looking more so.  His Army records seem not to have survived, and Police Records do not have d.o.b. I know all about him from 1905 when he enlisted in the Royal Engineers. His life takes him to New Romney, if in fact he started it in Frensham.
Tawny Owl

[Ermintrude46]

He is with them in 1901 census but not in 1891.

Suzard is suggesting he IS with the rest of the West family in 1891, just shown as Jesse, rather than Charles.  I would think it is definitely worth getting the birth certificate she has found.
Ermy

[tawny owl]

Okay, so how old is Jesse in 1891? It is difficut to see on the census , it could be 4 it could be 1.  So.....MY Charles is, bearing in mind birth date and census date, 1909 marriage 28...1911 census 31....1919 marriage 36. None of those ages would tie up with Jesse. Also, Charles, on the 1901 census shows up between William and Richard Jeffery. Can you see how I am confused?

Tawny Owl

[suzard]

It is so confusing

There is a birth reg for Richard Jesse West 1889

1891 there is Jesse West - who I thought looked like age 7 - having studied the image further I think he is age 1

So it looks very possible that he is Richard Jesse West and is usung his middle name

In 1891 there is a Jeffry West age (looks like) 8

Charles West was 17 in 1901 census
 So I wondered if Charles was really Nicholas Charles Jeffry West b. 1884

There is no Nicholas West b Surrey appears on 1891/1901 census -

You really need baptisms for Frensham to name parents - or you could send for the birth cert specifying the names of parents - then you will have most of your money refunded if it is not the correct certificate

Suz