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Re: Help Finding my Grandfather
« Reply #27 on: Saturday 08 January 22 23:44 GMT (UK) »
Is this his death? edit - I see it is you mentioned this at the beginning of your thread  :)

John Alfred Barrett
Death Age:   70
Birth Date:   11 Oct 1918
Registration Date:   Jun 1989
Registration District:   Eastbourne
Inferred County:   East Sussex
Volume:   18
Page:   508

11 10 1918 is date on workhouse record for John Alfred French

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Re: Help Finding my Grandfather
« Reply #28 on: Sunday 09 January 22 00:23 GMT (UK) »
For info. first wife Beatrice?

William BARRETT is a lock bridgeman railway docks in 1911 wife Beatrice & 2 children
added link to 1911c https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWPX-4W3

Beatrice Kate Barrett Birth 11 Dec 1906
Baptism Date:   19 May 1907 St Augustine, South Hackney
Father:   William Barrett
Mother:   Beatrice Tozer Barrett

Transcript only of marriage gives his fathers name George

William Barrett Age:   22
Marriage Place:   Victoria Docks, The Ascension, Essex
Marriage Date:   5 Aug 1905
Father:   George Barrett
Spouse:   Beatrice Jones Mason

Death of his wife

BARRETT, BEATRICE  TOZER   age 37
GRO Reference: 1923  J Quarter in WEST HAM  Volume 04A  Page 75   
Edit to add  - It looks as if she maybe living with someone else in Poplar with her children on latest census

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Re: Help Finding my Grandfather
« Reply #29 on: Sunday 09 January 22 02:30 GMT (UK) »
Baptism for John Alfred French, confirming his DoB as 11 Oct 1918:
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01r62/

Also the Creed Register for them both - lines 14 & 16 (goes over to next page):
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01r63/
MORGAN: Glamorgan, Durham, Ohio. DAVIS/DAVIES/DAVID: Glamorgan, Ohio.  GIBSON: Leicestershire, Durham. North Yorkshire.  JACKSON: East Yorks, North Yorks, Durham. TAYLOR: North Yorks. BOURDAS: North Yorks. JEFFREYS: Worcestershire & Northumberland. FORBES: Berwickshire, CHEESMOND: Durham/Northumberland. WINTER: Durham/Northumberland. SNOWBALL: Durham.

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Re: Help Finding my Grandfather
« Reply #30 on: Sunday 09 January 22 09:42 GMT (UK) »

Baptism for John Alfred French, confirming his DoB as 11 Oct 1918:
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01r62/


Well found jomot and the address given on the 1918 baptism record is 168 Usher Road,
matches with the 1911 census record for Rose French and her 1923 marriage to William Barrett

markey164

What are your thoughts with everything that's recently been posted ?

It certainly looks as if
John Alfred Barrett born 11 Oct 1918
his birth registered 1918 as
John Alfred French born 11 Oct 1918 to Rose French


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Re: Help Finding my Grandfather
« Reply #31 on: Sunday 09 January 22 12:30 GMT (UK) »
Hi all,

Thankyou so much for this. I'm amazed at everything you've found. All of the evidence, especially the workhouse record of what looks like his birth, matches my Grandfathers known birthdate and birthplace, his mothers name (Rose) as per his Census record, AND the fact that the same Rose then married a William Barrett (which i know was definitely his father's name, as this was on his marriage certificate). This all very much points to him being born illegitimate as John Alfred French (which we never knew), and explains why we've never been able to find his birth record, under his adult name.

A special mention of thanks to DaisyPetal who actually suggested this as a possibility 10 years ago, and i admittedly discounted it at the time, as I couldn't see the link. However, with the 1921 Census revealing the Mothers name as Rose, and there being a record of a Rose French marrying a William Herbert, it seems the weight of evidence, especially with all records being recorded in Poplar, is now too much to be coincidence, and means this is almost certainly my Grandad!!

My Grandad never talked much about his family, and my mum said the only person she or her mum ever met of his family was a sister (probably his half sister from his dad's first marriage). It also seems possible his dad either wasn't his real dad, or there was an affair whilst his father William was still married, and he was born as a result of it.

I guess we'll never know for sure, but if his father wasn't real father, it would explain why he never talked much about his family, as his father, along with the 2 previous children wouldn't have been his real family. So that kind of fits with what little we know.

I told my mum today and explained everything you've helped uncover, and she was really interested and also agrees, it all does seem to add up, and explains why we could never find his birth record.

She wants to do a DNA test now to see if we can find any closer links to possible relatives. I've done one already and there's a few possible's, but they're a bit too distant to establish any connections.

Thank you all again so much. I'll go over everything you've found and get this added to my tree 

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Re: Help Finding my Grandfather
« Reply #32 on: Sunday 09 January 22 18:46 GMT (UK) »
Also thankyou to Ladyhawk.

Yes that death record is correct. He was living in Eastbourne the only time I met him.

Thanks also for the previous marriage record for William. My mum thought he had a sister, so the record for the half sister you found may have been who my mum was thinking of.


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Re: Help Finding my Grandfather
« Reply #33 on: Sunday 09 January 22 23:17 GMT (UK) »

BARRETT, BEATRICE  TOZER   age 37
GRO Reference: 1923  J Quarter in WEST HAM  Volume 04A  Page 75   
Edit to add  - It looks as if she maybe living with someone else in Poplar with her children on latest census

Interesting last comment there Ladyhawk.
The 1923 marriage of William BARRETT and Rose FRENCH shows they were living only doors apart at the time of their marriage.
She at the famous 168 and he at 172.
But before that, we now wonder was their estrangement between Beatrice and William BARRET going back earlier. 

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Re: Help Finding my Grandfather
« Reply #34 on: Saturday 19 February 22 03:00 GMT (UK) »
Previous inquiry  with much material supplied

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=416131.0

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