Pattersons of Forfar and Kinnell

[Jay0777]

Forfarian, I think Mary's parents were Elspet Cothill and James Wyllie

Jen, did you get my emails with photos attached?

Jay

[Forfarian]

Ah, thanks, just wondered if she could have been one of my Wyllies.

[jen5525]

thanks for the wildcard hint.  didn't know that, it'll be really useful!

Mary Wyllie's parents were James Wyllie and Elspet/Elspeth Cuthill.  But can't find Mary's birth record or baptism yet, or Elspeth's either.  I got Mary's parents' names from the marriage record, and also did find her death record (1896), which had the same names.  Looks like the death record has a notation that Mary was illegitimate.  Elspeth's death record (1863) indicates her parents were Robert Cothill and Margaret Butchart. 

[Forfarian]

Any idea where Mary Wyllie was born? Does the 1881 or 1891 census say?

[jen5525]

Yes, in Kinnell.  Birth year would be about 1811 or so, as per census records and death record. Death record has her dying in Forfar at Gate Lodge (Cemetery) Newmonthill in 1896. 

But I also have a death record for another Mary Wyllie that I downloaded in error; that Mary also died in Forfar in 1881 at the age of 53; she was married to Thomas Wyllie, her parents were Alexander & Marjory Berrie.

[Forfarian]

She seems to be in every census from 1851 onwards, in Forfar, but I couldn't find her in 1841.

[Rosinish]

The spelling of the names have been inconsistent, from Cuthill to Cothill to Coathill Cuthills

It's always useful to use wildcards. When you find a name that has variations, try that. In your case c*t*l should produce the goods. And Butchart has many variations too.

To add to Forfarians suggestion...

It may be an idea to try the 'Fuzzy matching' option too as it brings up all sorts especially transcription errors or if the name Cathill/Cothill has dropped the 't' Cahill.

An e.g. of a 'Flora' with 'Fuzzy matching'....FLKORA 

Annie

[jen5525]

Forfarian... I do have her in the 1841 census. 

Name:
Ilspeth Colder

Age:
59

Estimated birth year:
abt 1782

Gender:
Female

Where born:
Angus, Scotland

Civil Parish:
Forfar

County:
Angus

Address:
Spout Street

Parish Number:
288

Household Members:

James Hendry  58
John Calder  65
Ilspeth Colder  59
Mary Colder  29
 

[breaky]

Jen, sorry, our ancient computer gave up completely, so couldn't reply sooner.  I haven't yet found any links from my Inverkeilor Cuthills to Kinkell.  Best wishes.