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Plymouth James DOEL 1830
« on: Tuesday 10 November 09 20:49 GMT (UK) »
HI all,1st post!
seeking information please on James Doel born 1830 Plymouth? no information shown on freebmd or family search for this.Only know this from a later census when he was living in Frome Somerset with his family.He was my greatgrandmothers father and hope to find a link to the battle of Trafalgar down this family line.

 

Wood~Frome /Zeals/Stourton/Great Bedwyn
Doel~Frome/Plymouth
Brown~Frome/Wilton
Stacey~Wilton
Ritchens~Trowbridge/Semington/
Smart~Calne
Colley~Trowbridge/Marlborough
Owen~Trowbridge/

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Re: plymouth james doel 1830
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 10 November 09 21:07 GMT (UK) »
do you have 1851 census - he is with his grndmother  and 1861 he is with wife and 2 children??

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Re: plymouth james doel 1830
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 10 November 09 21:11 GMT (UK) »
Hi,sorry do not have that census,was his wife emma? and a son james and daughter maria?
Wood~Frome /Zeals/Stourton/Great Bedwyn
Doel~Frome/Plymouth
Brown~Frome/Wilton
Stacey~Wilton
Ritchens~Trowbridge/Semington/
Smart~Calne
Colley~Trowbridge/Marlborough
Owen~Trowbridge/


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Re: plymouth james doel 1830
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 10 November 09 21:25 GMT (UK) »
1851 Frome Somerset
Quarry Cottage
karen Dole head W 58 hertfordshire N.K.
James Dole Grandson U 21 Labourer Quarryman Devon Devonport
Henry Halsom Lodger W 56 Frome Somerset
William Halson Lodger 10 servant frome Somerset
Ann Baker granddaughter in law U 16 Dressmaker ow Middlese
HO107 1932 564 17

1861
Butts
frome Somerset
james Doel head M 31 Labourer Iron Foundry Plymouth devon
Emma wife 24 Balcomb Somerset
Maria daughter 3 Frome Somerset
Elizabeth daughter 2 Frome Somerset
RG9 1654 71 10

Suz
Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England
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Re: plymouth james doel 1830
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 10 November 09 22:00 GMT (UK) »
Thankyou very much,will try to go back from this .
Wood~Frome /Zeals/Stourton/Great Bedwyn
Doel~Frome/Plymouth
Brown~Frome/Wilton
Stacey~Wilton
Ritchens~Trowbridge/Semington/
Smart~Calne
Colley~Trowbridge/Marlborough
Owen~Trowbridge/

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Re: Plymouth James DOEL 1830
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 11 November 09 14:32 GMT (UK) »
I must apologise - I never welcomed you to the site
so

a big Hello and welcome to RootsChat

This looks like the famiy in 1871
Willington Row Portsea hants
James Doel Head m 34 Dkyd lab Exeter wks Plymouth
Emma wife 30 Wanstrow Somerset
Maria daughter 14 scholat Froom Somerset (Frome)
Elizabeth daughter 12 scholar Froom (Frome)
James son 10 Froom (frome)
RG10 1129 105 20

by1901 James had died and Emma was back in Frome

1891
2 Butts hill
Frome Somerset
Emma Doel Head W 52 Laundress Wanstrow Somerset
Lilly granddaughter 11 scholar frome Somerset
EG12 1907 23 5

1901
22 Mint?
Frome Somersey
Thomas G Watkins head W 63 painter Gateshead Berks
Emma Doel Lodger W 62 Batcombe Somerset
RG13 2308 10 12

Mattiage reg freeMD
Mar qtr 1857
Frome
on same page
Emma Cosh
James Doel
5c 863

(purchase of certificate would give father's names and occupations)

Death reg freeBMD
Emma Doel
age 77
mar qtr 1915
Frome
5c 694

I have a possible sighting of james Doel's gran in other census



thought maybe going forwards would help to go back???
but it doesn't seem to be doing??

Suz
Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England
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Re: Plymouth James DOEL 1830
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 12 November 09 03:32 GMT (UK) »
He may well have been a Baptist in which case tracking his family down prior to 1841 census is going to be a hard slog.
As a pointer .. if my theory is correct they were existent in Frome Somerset as well as Westbury Wiltshire which towns were only about 5 miles apart.
The name 'Doel' exists at Dilton near Westbury Wilstshire and the name appears in the Baptist 'Providence' chapel there and suggest you try this link;
http://www.dilton-marsh.org.uk/research/default.php
and on the 'search' page type in DOEL where you will find researchers of that name.
A William Doel wrote 'Twenty Golden Candlesticks' (google it) which relates to a history of nonconformity in western Wiltshire and you may be able to obtain a copy.
Sorry for the length of all this ...... it stems from a long and difficult search for Dilton ancestors that I had no idea were Baptists and the fact that Baptists as a rule do not baptise their children until the children are ready to understand why they are being baptised and in my case the baptism of my 2nd gg/m Ann Adlam has never been found ... perhaps she was never baptised but from all available censuses she was born circa 1811.
Hope it helps.
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Re: Plymouth James DOEL 1830
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 12 November 09 22:22 GMT (UK) »
Thanks ,filled in a few dates and names to go on with.Not found any link to Westbury Doels,there are a lot of them!hoping to find a link down the Doel tree (plymouth) to a sailor in the battle of Trafalgar,i have a medal with a name etched on it(William Moits?)its badly pitted and hard to see,tried similar sounding last names in the national archives lists for sailors in the battle but no luck yet!hoping this might be family related.
Wood~Frome /Zeals/Stourton/Great Bedwyn
Doel~Frome/Plymouth
Brown~Frome/Wilton
Stacey~Wilton
Ritchens~Trowbridge/Semington/
Smart~Calne
Colley~Trowbridge/Marlborough
Owen~Trowbridge/

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Re: Plymouth James DOEL 1830
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 12 November 09 22:44 GMT (UK) »
I wondered if tis is James Doel's grandmother in 1871
(1851 Ann Baker described as "Granddaughter in law" was with karen Doel (head of house)-and James)

1871
Marlborough Row
Portsea
George baker head M 58 Boiler Maker & Beerhouse keeper Bridgwater Somerset
Ann Baker wife 44 Nunney Somerset
Albert Stickler  stepson 1 Parish of St Thomas? Somerset
KERRENHAPPUCH DOLE mother W 77 Ind paxton?

RG10 1133 53 6

Suz
 
Thornhill, Cresswell, Sisson, Harriman, Cripps, Eyre, Walter, Marson, Battison, Holmes, Bailey, Hardman, Fairhurst Noon-mainly in Derbys/Notts-but also Northampton, Oxford, Leics, Lancs-England
Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk