Goodwin, Shobdon & Rosser, Penallt : marriage

[rydwin]

Hello,
I am trying to track down the marriage of Elizabeth Goodwin (born 1829 Shobdon,Herefordshire) to Henry Chadwell Rosser (born 1809, Penallt, Monmouthshire). Presumed date around 1849? with their first child born 1850 at Weobley. [Later moved to Kent 1854, then Chepstow 1859 and Gloucester Brimscombe 1861.]

I initially worked on assumption that marriage would be in bride's parish but enquiry (telephone & letter) at the Hereford record office were negative. I've since contacted the records offices (BMD) in surrounding areas ranging from Brecon to Gloucester to no avail. I also cannot find this couple on the 1851 census! Wales nor England.

Does anyone have access to Shobdon or Weobley local marriage records? or suggest where else I can look??  any help would be gratefully received
Many Thanks

[CaroleW]

Hi

Did you get Elizabeth's maiden name from one of the children's birth certs?

[rydwin]

Hi,
Yes,  from her second son Edgar born in Brimscombe 1860.

Also the Goodwin name was carried on as a middle name with her third son Henry ( informant on her death certificate ) and again with one of Edgar's sons.
 

[CaroleW]

Hi

from her second son Edgar

   Second son was Albert H
 
The 1861 census is as follows

Henry C Rosser 51 gas engineer
Elizabeth   32
Edwin H  11
Albert J  7
Martha   2
Edgar  6 Months

I have found Henry in 1851 - married to somebody else and living in Ledbury.  All children b Ledbury

Henry Rosser 41 gas engineer b Monmouth
Mary Ann 42 b Ross
Ann   12
Sophia   9
Susanah   6
David  5
Albert  4
Luisa  3
Hannah Baynham 50 b Ross - house servant
HO107 Piece 1975 Folio 173 Page 15

From the IGI at www.familysearch.org

HENRY ROSSER   Spouse:  MARY ANNE BAYNHAM   Marriage:  18 FEB 1832   Hope Mansell, Hereford

[CaroleW]

I wonder whether Henry and Elizabeth ever married - first wife Mary Ann was still alive in 1861 but had re-married.  Divorce in those days was usually for the wealthy but unless she was a bigamist .............. 
 
Here is the 1861 census for Gloucester

James Underwood 35 carpenter & shopkeeper b Gloucs Brownsbarrow??
Mary A 45 wife b Ross
Susannah Rosser 16 step daughter b Ledbury
Louisa Rosser 12        ditto
RG9 Piece 1761 Folio 46 Page 22

Mary A was still alive and living with James in 1871

Marriages March qtr 1856 
Mary Ann Rosser    Gloucester  6a 318a   
James Underwood     

[CaroleW]

Also from the IGI - in all cases parents were Henry and Mary Ann and venue is just shown as Leominster

These are christening dates - not birthdates

MARY SOPHIA ROSSER  Christening:  25 DEC 1842   
ALBERT VALENTINE ROSSER   Christening:  11 MAR 1840   
ANN ROSSER   Christening:  11 MAR 1840   

And an earlier Susannah who presumably died and was succeeded by the one b 1844/45

Susannah Rosser   Christening:  30 JUN 1833   Stroud, Gloucester   
Father:  Henry Rosser    Mother:  Mary Ann 

 
 
 

[rydwin]

Thanks.....thats a lot to digest. I'm really grateful to you and impressed.

I've checked a transcript of the 1832 Hope Mansell marriage entry but unfortunately no detail on grooms father which still leaves some room for doubt . However he is shown as living at St Briavels which is quite close ( across the Wye) to his birthplace.

Now can't find them in 1841 census Ledbury, but will keep looking.

Does raise a query though, .......in 1861 Henry is living in Berkeley with Elizabeth (nearly 20 years his junior) and they have a son Edwin aged 11 (born about 1850)  ...maybe thats the reason for the family split!  Thanks very much, I will look into these developments   

[CaroleW]

Fathers names did not appear on marriage entries until 1.7.1837 when Civil Reg was introduced

Re: 1841 census - have a look at this entry for Hereford - Hope Mansell

HO107 Piece 421 Book 9 Folio 5 Page 5  - Ann Rosser b 1839

[CaroleW]

Found Henry in 1841 - indexed as Roper and living in Leominster.  I noticed that most of the Rosser entries looked like Ropper

HO107 Piece 430 book 26 Folio 21 Page 13