CRAVEN of Newport/Goole/Hull/Wakefield (Mariner) - Lookups Please

[bendywendy]

Good evening Bee
Thanks for all the info.

Recap is as first entry, John Craven and family. They have moved around so much with
their shipping business this line has gone from Newport to Surrey to Goole to Hull and inbetween
West Yorks and Rawcliffe Nr. Goole, where some are buried.

There is links on this board to the other boards which are connected by Craven.

But still no bap for John Craven born Newport, E. Yorks, now I think this is because of the problem
of Newport as detailed on this board. There  could be Craven in the records for North Cave and Eastrington Church, so far it seems no one has found him. If there are no bap in either of these churches then it could be possible the Craven could be Methodist or even Primitive Methodist and these records are at the Treasure House, Beverley.

Immediate line:-
John Craven - George Tom Craven  snr - George Tom Craven jnr - it becomes confusing having two same named !!! and both seamen/mariners.

Your census info for Victoria Street, Hook (this street is now in Goole), this is George Tom snr and George Tom jnr.
Census for Gray Street, Goole (part of Poets Corner)  again same family as Victoria Street, Hook, very small 2 up 2 down terraced homes, rather a lot to fit !!.
 It must be this family that moved into Hull, will clarify with Dorothy in Oz  which great grandparents she means.

You are correct with the marriage also. But no marriage or wife for John Craven yet.

Many thanks Bee.

Bendywendy

[bendywendy]

Hi Everyone

Update, information for Vessels and Owned and Registered too:-

Thomas Craven 
Laurel   (Schooner  - registered to Craven 1856)
Wells    (Schooner  - registered to Craven 1856)

Sarah Craven  nee Burkill of Wakefield
Brothers (Sloop - registered to Craven 1837)

James Craven of Wakefield          I think this is the Boat Builder of Wakefield
Admiral                    (Schooner - registered to Craven 1849)
Sloop                       (Sloop - registered to Craven 1849)
Caroline & Elizabeth   (Sloop - registered to Craven 1843)
Crocus                    (Schooner - registered to Craven 1851)
Eliza & Mary              (Schooner - registered to Craven 1849)
Friends                   (Schooner - registered 1849)
John & Mary            (Sloop - registered to Craven 1853)
Patience                 (Sloop - registered to Craven 1855)
Samuels & Eliza        (Schooner - registered to Craven 1848)
Superior                  (Sloop - registered to Craven 1850)
William & Mary          (Sloop - registered 1843)

SCHOONER- pronounced (sku--nar) is a sailing vessel using fore and aft sails on two or more masts, with
the forward mast shorter or the same height as the rear masts.
Some schooners had a top-sail on the foremast and were called Top-sail Schooners.
Other schooners had a square fore-sail (with the gaff-fore-sail) and were called Square Top-sail Schooners.

SLOOP- is a vessel known as a Sail Boat with a fore and aft rig and a single mast further forward
than the mast of a Cutter vessel. It is the position of the mast that determines whether a vessel is a Sloop or a Cutter.

I will try and find if there is any connection with all these three ?? OR if anyone knows I would appreciate it if you
posted on here please.

Bendywendy

[Thorn]

Hi Everyone,

Sorry to barge in on your conversation, I am currently doing voluntary research into ships in the East Riding. I am having problems with one ship the ‘Grovehill’ I believe John Craven was the owner.
The only info I have is a photograph of the family on board the ship and information of a letter from Lily Craven to her father John in 1907. 

Info I’m looking for is physical size of the vessel, cargos and any stories or situation the people or ship got in to.
 

[Bee]

Hi Thorn

It doesn't sound like the boat that you are researching but a search of the online records of the Hull Histoty centre shows a fishing vessel by the name of Grovehill in the 1880's owned by a J W Hellyer.

happy hunting
Bee
 

ps. welcome to rootschat 

[bendywendy]

Good morning Thorn
You are most welcome to join in.
I have been doing this research for a friend in Oz whose family this is, she was originally from this area.
If you PM me your email address I will forward to her in Oz, you and her can then exchange info as  I am
sure she will want to see a copy of this letter.
In the meantime I will try and find some details of her size etc., not sure if I have them, will be back in
touch with you.
I can also point you in the right direction for info on vessels in this area too.  I will PM you.

Can I ask why you are interested in the Grovehill???

Kind Regards
Bendywendy

[bendywendy]

Hi again Thorn

The Grovehill was owned and lived upon by the Craven family, there might well be another  vessel of same name
as this does occur, also you have the connection of the letter from Lily Craven to her father John so this is the same vessel as owned by this Craven family.
In Goole library there is a photo on-line of the Grovehill with the family on board. The Library also has a large collection of photos of the Craven family both Hull and Goole. They also have the original oil painting of the Grovehill.
I know that the museum curator Peter Appleyard would be of great help to you in your research. He is looking for anyone that can also give info to the museum for this family.

Kind Regards
Bendywendy

[bendywendy]

Here is the 2 photographs that Goole Library hold of the family Craven on board the Grovehill


"Members of the Craven family onboard the ketch GROVEHILL - Members of the Craven family on board the ketch GROVEHILL. Back John Craven"

http://www.web-exhibition.net/details.aspx?id=1038
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Crewmen onboard the ketch GROVEHILL - J W Craven (L) with crewman, thought to be ketch GROVEHILL

http://www.web-exhibition.net/details.aspx?id=1039
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Here too is brief details of the letter from Lily Craven to her father John Craven

http://www.eastriding.gov.uk/culture/museums/collections/detail.php?t=objects&type=all&f=&s=lily+craven&record=0

Letter

History
Family
Craven, Lily
1907
Card
L:14.8cms W:8.4cms

Panoramic card of Mappin Art Gallery, Sheffield Letter on it written by Lily Craven to her father, Captain J.W. Craven, on the ketch 'Grovehill', sent to his vessel at Leith and redirected to Elie, Fife. Lily was staying with her aunt (Fanny Craven, nee Mason, was from Sheffield). Most of the letter's content relates to the Grovehill's recent passage with a cargo of gunpowder in a recent storm.

ERYMS (Goole) : M6769
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Here is details of the painting by Rueben Chappell of the Grovehill, available to view on line.

http://www.eastriding.gov.uk/culture/museums/collections/detail.php?t=objects&type=all&f=&s=grovehill&record=2

The Grovehill, of Hull

Art
Painting
Chappell, Reuben
Goole
Watercolour; paper; wood


Port side view of the two-masted schooner 'Grovehill', of Hull. Grey-blue hull, eight sails set. flying the red ensign. White life boat. Black hulled steamer with four funnels in the right background. The 'Grovehill' is shown sailing past a rocky headland, on which is a white building. Watercolour on paper, wooden frame.

ERYMS (Goole) : G635

NOTE By flying the Red Ensign (also known as the Red Duster) the Grovehill was a Merchant Vessel.
For more info on Red Ensign read Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Ensign
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There is also another painting of the Grovehill by TG Purvis which is in  a private collection. Very brief details of that painting are on this weblink:-
http://www.fineartemporium.com/se-Purvis-TG.htm       scroll down to Known works in Private Collections, then to Grovehill, sorry no image has been found of this painting..
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WW1 Merchant Seamen Medal Cards for CRAVEN

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/search-results.asp?searchType=quicksearch&mediaarray=&first_date=&last_date=&CatID=45&pageCount=3&query=adm+188/5+craven&queryType=1&pageNumber=2&sortSpec=first_date+desc

3 listed for Goole including:-

Medal Card of   Craven, Emmanuel Broadbent
Place of Birth:   Goole
1890   BT 351/1

Medal Card of   Craven, John Dumsford
Place of Birth:   Goole
1874   BT 351/1

Medal Card of   Craven, George Tom
Place of Birth:   Goole
1859   BT 351/1


These Medal Cards can be paid to view and download on the website for £3.50 each, but you do get approx
 6 Medal Cards to one download so with some luck there might be all 3 on 1 download.

If the above link does not open go to The National Archives website and in left hand Quick Search, type in
adm 188/5 craven
this will then bring up a list of choices, click on WW1 Merchant Seamen Medal Cards, will then bring up the list of Craven names.
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Registers of Seamen's Services

Name   Craven, Emmanuel Broadbent
Official Number:   K2045
Place of Birth:   Goole, Yorkshire
05 March 1890   ADM 188/871

Name   Craven, John William
Official Number:   278056
Place of Birth:   Hull, Yorkshire
04 October 1873   ADM 188/443

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/search-results.asp?searchType=quicksearch&mediaarray=&first_date=&last_date=&CatID=15&pageCount=12&query=adm+188/5++craven&queryType=1&pageNumber=6&sortSpec=first_date+desc

Some confirmation of the Craven family c 1787 in Newport is documented in Susan Butler's website.
John Craven was born c 1828 Newport, so a possibility is the family were Methodists.
             
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:yFl2D5Rz_1cJ:www.btinternet.com/~susanebutler/newport-history.html+capt+john+w+craven,+mariner&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk





Bendywendy

[Thorn]

Hi Bendywendy

Thank you for your prompt reply.

Yes I have spoken to Peter in the museum unfortunately he only knows as much as we do. I have also been to the Treasure house with no success hence why I'm looking every where at everything.

once again thank you for your help.
 

[bendywendy]

Further information has been added to this thread regarding the Grovehill and the Craven family...go to links on 1st page of first posting and to links on 2nd page for links to images etc..

I have had a great deal of help from very good people who also have an interest in the Grovehill, it has not been easy to say the least in finding details of this vessel as she was once a fishing trawler before being sold and re-rigged to a ketch.

Many thanks to all involved.


Bendywendy