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My Granny CLARKE
« on: Thursday 17 December 09 09:47 GMT (UK) »
Hi
My GG grandmother Jane Wood, born Swan River WA married William Holmes in Sydney 1853.

She died in Granya Victoria in 1919, 95 YO as Jane Clarke, her death cert says that she married Henry or Harry Clarke in Adelong at age 45, William Holmes had died in 1876.

The children that I can't find are listed on the death cert as Mary Holmes,65 YO, Sarah Clarke, 46 YO, Henry Clarke, 43 YO and Joseph Clarke whom I have found, but he called himself Holmes.
All the others I have managed to trace, but I cant find any trace of the marriage to Henry Clarke or his death. He is not the Henry Clarke who died in 1910, already bought that one.

Anyone got any ideas?

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Re: My Granny CLARKE
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 17 December 09 10:52 GMT (UK) »
Hi mum mum,

Not finding much at the moment

Just so I've got this clear in my head  :D

Jane Holmes married Henry/Harry Clarke at the age of 45 years.
She died 1919 age 95, gives birth c1824, so marriage c1869
William Holmes had died in 1876.

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Re: My Granny CLARKE
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 17 December 09 22:37 GMT (UK) »
I am also very puzzled as Jane E aged 95 years, died in 1919 ie b. c1824

Death in Victoria
CLARKE Jane Elizabeth
Father Unknown  Mother Unknown WOOD
95 years  at Granya  1919  REg#17417

and you write according to her death certificate the following children where born  -
Mary HOLMES 65 years born c1854 - Jane aged 30 years
Sarah CLARKE 46 years born c1873 - Jane aged 49 years
Harry CLARKE 43 years born c1876 - Jane aged 52 years
Joseph CLARKE ? years  born  ? ?

Surely there is an error with Jane's age at time of death ::) 

Had Jane left William HOLMES before his death in 1875 - as Sarah CLARKE was born c1873 and Henry CLARKE  c1876.

Who was the informant on the death certificate?

Looking at the NSW bdm's

V1853741 39C/1853     
HOLMES William
WOOD Jane E
MF = St Lawrence's Church of England, Sydney

Do you have this parish record/cert?

There are numerous births to a William and Jane E HOLMES but you would have these.

Death
6547/1875     
HOLMES William
Age 45 years  Died Gundagai
District Gundagai

I also wonder if the children Sarah, Harry and Joseph may have been her grandchildren and raised by her as her own ie possible illegitimate children of one of her daughters, as Joseph used the name HOLMES.

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Re: My Granny CLARKE
« Reply #3 on: Friday 18 December 09 02:40 GMT (UK) »
Just found in a quick internet search now:
someone referring to "Jane Elizabeth Wood => Jane Clarke, Holmes nee Wood"
who states Jane was born in 1837 in Swan River WA.

That fits your other details & would make her c.82 in 1919 & fit in a little better with the maths Cando showed.
HELLIWELL (Sowerby/Bradford WRY, Wellington NZ, Sydney AU)
>> also West Yorkshire: PARKINSON, RICHARDSON, RAISTRICK,
ACKROYD, BERRY, BREARLEY, BELLHOUSE, DODGSON, BRAYSHAW,
WALTON, MITCHELL, PICKLES, ASHLEY

MARSHALL (Jersey CI, Middlesex, Sydney AU)
BILLINGS / BLACK / SHEPPARD (Essex, Middlesex)

CODDINGTON (Lincolnshire, NSW Australia)

HOWE / HOLMES / BATTERSHILL / KIRTON (Devon)

DUPEYRON / LE MÉE (France, Guernsey CI)
DUFAU / DUBRANA (France)

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Re: My Granny CLARKE
« Reply #4 on: Friday 18 December 09 04:56 GMT (UK) »
Some notes I've jotted down so far, better share now before this gets too out of control :*)

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The children that I can't find are listed on the death cert as Mary Holmes,65 YO, Sarah Clarke, 46 YO, Henry Clarke, 43 YO and Joseph Clarke whom I have found, but he called himself Holmes.

Now have found an online tree which could help answering part of your question:
Mary HOLMES = b. 1854 [Tumut, NSW]
Joseph HOLMES = b. 24 Dec 1876 [Adaminaby NSW], d. 1963 [Batlow NSW]
They also list a "Harry HOLMES born 1876 in Adaminaby"; Joseph & Harry being the last of the children.

Twins born after their father's death? Who both took on the surname of their stepfather?
Sarah is the only one not accounted for -- was she born later biological dau. of Harry CLARKE? Or even step-dau of Jane?



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I cant find any trace of the marriage to Henry Clarke or his death.


In order to pinpoint when Jane & Harry might have married, this is the summary I can figure out,
using that online tree I mentioned (which includes 2 certs: Jane's 1st marriage, no ages on it + William Holmes death cert),
along with NSW BDM index & the information so far on this thread:

(Note #1: You might have to check or verify some references, given some info was from an online tree)
(Note #2: (Jane's age in square brackets at the beginning of each line))


  [c. 0] 1837 - Jane Elizabeth WOOD born [Swan Hill WA]
  [c.16] 1853 - (27th Dec) marries William HOLMES age c. 23 [Cumberland NSW]
* [c.17] 1854 - + Mary HOLMES [Tumut NSW]
  [c.17] 1854 - + John HOLMES [Tumut NSW] (d.1874)
  [c.22] 1859 - + William HOLMES [Tumut NSW] (d.1955)
  [c.24] 1861 - + Elizabeth HOLMES [Tumut NSW]
  [c.28] 1865 - + Edward "Ned" HOLMES [Adelong NSW]
  [c.30] 1867 - + Ellen HOLMES [12 May 1867, Adelong NSW] - (m.TAYLOR) d. 21 Aug 1954 [Petersham NSW]
  [c.33] 1870 - + Robert HOLMES [Tumut or Gundagai NSW]
  [c.36] 1873 - + James HOLMES [Tumut or Gundagai NSW]
* [c.36] c.1873? - + Sarah CLARKE
  [c.38] 1875 - (22 Oct) William HOLMES dies [Gundagai NSW] "5 Sons, 3 daus living"
* [c.39] 1876 - + Joseph HOLMES/CLARKE b. 24 Dec 1876 [Adaminaby NSW], d. 1963 [Batlow NSW]
* [c.39] 1876 - + Harry HOLMES/CLARKE [Adaminaby NSW]
  [c.82] 1919 - (4 Dec) Jane Elizabeth CLARKE nee WOOD earlier HOLMES dies [Granya VIC]
                age 95 "spent 8yrs in WA, 78yrs NSW, 9yrs in Victoria"
                - this is where the 1824 birthyear came from
HELLIWELL (Sowerby/Bradford WRY, Wellington NZ, Sydney AU)
>> also West Yorkshire: PARKINSON, RICHARDSON, RAISTRICK,
ACKROYD, BERRY, BREARLEY, BELLHOUSE, DODGSON, BRAYSHAW,
WALTON, MITCHELL, PICKLES, ASHLEY

MARSHALL (Jersey CI, Middlesex, Sydney AU)
BILLINGS / BLACK / SHEPPARD (Essex, Middlesex)

CODDINGTON (Lincolnshire, NSW Australia)

HOWE / HOLMES / BATTERSHILL / KIRTON (Devon)

DUPEYRON / LE MÉE (France, Guernsey CI)
DUFAU / DUBRANA (France)

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Re: My Granny CLARKE
« Reply #5 on: Friday 18 December 09 05:15 GMT (UK) »
[cont'd]

So, here is the (possible) picture I have from that info:
In late 1875 William HOLMES age 45 is married with 8 kids. 
William contracts pneumonia & is taken to Gundagai Hospital. He dies Oct 22 1875.
Wife Jane is left with the massive task of caring for 8 children.
She then has at least 3 more, two said to be born the next year in 1876.

A little maths though -
If the birthdate of child Joseph HOLMES, for example, is correct (24 Dec 1876),
someone else (Harry?) must be the biological father?
HELLIWELL (Sowerby/Bradford WRY, Wellington NZ, Sydney AU)
>> also West Yorkshire: PARKINSON, RICHARDSON, RAISTRICK,
ACKROYD, BERRY, BREARLEY, BELLHOUSE, DODGSON, BRAYSHAW,
WALTON, MITCHELL, PICKLES, ASHLEY

MARSHALL (Jersey CI, Middlesex, Sydney AU)
BILLINGS / BLACK / SHEPPARD (Essex, Middlesex)

CODDINGTON (Lincolnshire, NSW Australia)

HOWE / HOLMES / BATTERSHILL / KIRTON (Devon)

DUPEYRON / LE MÉE (France, Guernsey CI)
DUFAU / DUBRANA (France)

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Re: My Granny CLARKE
« Reply #6 on: Friday 18 December 09 05:22 GMT (UK) »
I would suggest that it is preferable to link the online tree unless of course it is a private one to which you have access or only available on a subscription based website. 

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Re: My Granny CLARKE
« Reply #7 on: Friday 18 December 09 05:26 GMT (UK) »
subscription based unfortunately  :'(
HELLIWELL (Sowerby/Bradford WRY, Wellington NZ, Sydney AU)
>> also West Yorkshire: PARKINSON, RICHARDSON, RAISTRICK,
ACKROYD, BERRY, BREARLEY, BELLHOUSE, DODGSON, BRAYSHAW,
WALTON, MITCHELL, PICKLES, ASHLEY

MARSHALL (Jersey CI, Middlesex, Sydney AU)
BILLINGS / BLACK / SHEPPARD (Essex, Middlesex)

CODDINGTON (Lincolnshire, NSW Australia)

HOWE / HOLMES / BATTERSHILL / KIRTON (Devon)

DUPEYRON / LE MÉE (France, Guernsey CI)
DUFAU / DUBRANA (France)

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Re: My Granny CLARKE
« Reply #8 on: Friday 18 December 09 05:48 GMT (UK) »
Thanks,
I have linked up with the online tree, I also have private tree on there which I have shared with the others tree owners. I spoke to one on the phone last Sunday and she hasn't been able to pin down the marriage or the missing children either.

Yes I think that there is some discrepancy in Jane's age at death, I am starting to think that the Clarke children may not have been his. 
I wil go back and check for any Holmes born with father unknown, hadnt actually thought of that.
The three who were supposedly Clarke's on the death cert have an estimated birth year from their age at her death.

The informant on the death cert was Jane's son in law, her daughter was still alive and well at the time so I guess she provided names and ages but there could have been some guesswork involved.

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