stuck on one person!

[carol8353]

very slow process   transcribed as Budy

1891  RG12; Piece: 323; Folio 14; Page 21

Thomas Henry Barclay 83 yrs Army Pensioner b Scotland Edinburgh
Thomas Wyatt Barclay 30 yrs General Labourer b Bromley
William Barclay 25yrs   -do-
Thomas James Riser (?) son in law 30 yrs
Elizabeth daughter 38 yrs

am hoping that this is Thomas but where is Ellen and the children

Also did you notice that Thomas is entered as SINGLE-perhaps Thomas junior was registered under mum's maiden anme and not Barclay?

Hang on a minute !!! Thomas is described as a labourer ion 1891- when on all other records after that date he works in a match factory. The plot thickens.

Are there 2 Thomas Wyatt Barclays?

Carol

[carol8353]

Ellens name was correct but its still a mystery as to her birthdate as it varies so much! i guess being uneducated she had no certain idea of her age!
is there any way I can discover her parents names if i cant find her birth certificate?

That is exactly what Heywood and I are trying to do Dixie- find Ellen and work our way backwards to prove her birth name,date and parentage.
Bear with us 

[heywood]

I can't see a birth for him yet.
You say the name is correct- do you have it from birth certificates too.
I think the certificate for Ellen would be important as she is born before marriage and before 1891 and yet Thomas snr is living with his father at that time.

Just got other post- he was single anyway- didn't marry till later   but yes I wondered about that too.
I have found the Ellen I was thinking of (Blythe) and I am sure I found her in 1901 so discounted her last night- when I was tired so will check again.

[carol8353]

Where did you obtain the father's name William Bligh?

On the copy of the marriage certificate of 17 October 1892 I am looking at there is no father's name, although an occupation of blacksmith has been entered.

Nigel

Dixie,as Nigel asks above ,where did you get Ellen's dad's name from?

Carol

[carol8353]

Do you have your nan Eliza's 1901 birth cert?

If not you could get Ellen's born in Mar 1889   
 
Ellen  BARCLAY  ref  Poplar  1c 677

It would confirm her mum's maiden name and also tell us if Thomas was definitely her dad ,as it was before they married 

[dixielandlinda]

I have a copy of the marriage certificate with Ellens father as william bligh blacksmith Ellens age differs so much sometimes shes listed as older than her husband and sometimes younger!

[nigelp]

Hi Dixie,

Very strange.   This is what the relevant part of the marriage certificate appears to show - no mention of William Bligh or a father's name.

Can you post a copy of the relevant part of your marriage certificate?

Nigel

[dixielandlinda]

hello again
I have a copy of the marriage cretificate and the handwriting is hard to descipher but it clearly says father of the bride as william bligh/blyth occupation blacksmith ive been looking all morning on various sites without much luck still!
the grooms parents were thomas henry barclay and his wife was mary ann wyatt
they named their son thomas wyatt using the mothers maiden name
they wed on 27 nov 1859 is this any help at all?

[carol8353]

Nigel has copied a section below of the actual marriage record from the church register,and this has no father listed for Ellen at all 

Hubby's dad is down ,but not hers,only that he was a blacksmith.

These parish records are from the originals held at the LMA(London Metropolitan Archives)

How odd???

Carol