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Ellen Martha Overall - Age When Christened in 1856? - Completed Thank You
« on: Wednesday 06 January 10 16:18 GMT (UK) »
I have a record on the IGI for Ellen Martha Overall. However, the date is about 10 years after the date of birth of the Ellen Martha Overall I am looking for, although in the right place. Is there any way of finding out the age when someone was christened so I can see if this is the right person?

Ellen Martha Overall - 20 APR 1856   All Saints, Cambridge, Cambridge, England
Mother - Matilda Overall

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Re: Ellen Martha Overall - Age When Christened in 1856?
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 06 January 10 16:26 GMT (UK) »
Occcasionally you can be lucky and the vicar will put the date of birth in the margin of the christening record.

Was the mother of the one born 10 yrs earlier called Matilda?  Not such a common name.
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Re: Ellen Martha Overall - Age When Christened in 1856?
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 06 January 10 16:33 GMT (UK) »
Pres this is the girl you are researching?
1861
RG9 1026 120 16

Cambridge
MArtha Overall 70 widow College servant bn Sawston
Ellen 16 grandtr bn Cambridge
James 11 grandson bn Cambridge
Frederick 8 grandson bn London
Alina 5 grandtr bn London
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Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
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Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: Ellen Martha Overall - Age When Christened in 1856?
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 06 January 10 16:35 GMT (UK) »
I've got no details of Ellen's mother unfortunately. On her marriage certificate she has no father listed and I can only find her on the 1861 census living with her grandmother, Martha Overall. As they've got the same surname, and I believe Ellen took her mother's surname as there are no details of the father, I am assuming that Martha is her maternal grandmother or she would have known her father's details. There is a Matilda who died in 1851, so I think maybe she had Ellen c. 1846, didn't get her christened as she wasn't married, she unfortunately then died in 1851 and Ellen went to live with her grandmother, Martha, who then decided to get her christened in 1856. Or I may be completely wrong!


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Re: Ellen Martha Overall - Age When Christened in 1856?
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 06 January 10 16:37 GMT (UK) »
Yes, that's the right person. James, Frederick and Alma (not Alina) are all Ellen's cousins, not brothers and sisters.

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Re: Ellen Martha Overall - Age When Christened in 1856?
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 06 January 10 16:44 GMT (UK) »
I cant see her on other censues or a birth for her.
I take it the middle name came from her marriage cert then?
How do you know that this one in 1861 is the same one that you have the marriage cert for?

I can see two births specifically for Ellen Martha Overall:
Oc/Nov/Dec 1862 Hackney
Jul/Aug/Sep 1843 Bermondsey

Could one of those be the girl who marries?

When/Where/Who does 'your' Ellen marry? plus age address witnesses etc from marriage cert. Seems the marriage cert is the last definite info and therefore what to work from!
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DeBoo - London
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Parker - Sussex
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Re: Ellen Martha Overall - Age When Christened in 1856?
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 06 January 10 16:45 GMT (UK) »
Unfortunately the parish register does not give her age or date of birth.
Does have the extra bit of information "of Sidney Place".

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Re: Ellen Martha Overall - Age When Christened in 1856?
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 06 January 10 16:55 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for that, Selina. That's a shame.

Lizdb - thanks for your research so far. My Ellen married James Edward Gigney on 5 April 1869 in Cambridge (I don't have the marriage certificate here to check the other details but will post those later).

I can find them listed on the 1871 census in Cambridge:

James Gigney, aged 26, born in Cambridge
Ellen Martha Gigney, aged 26, born in Cambridge
Frederick Overhill, son, aged 4, born in Cambridge

As Frederick has his mother's maiden name and was born before James and Ellen married, I believe he was illegitimate.

I too can find no record of a birth around 1846 for an Ellen Martha Overall/ Overhill nor find her on the 1851 census, so maybe her mother didn't register her as she was illegitimate, didn't christen her for the same reason and hid because of that when the enumerator came round in 1851?

I am assuming the Ellen Overall on the 1861 census you refer to is my Ellen as she is the only one listed of the right age and birthplace and is living without both parents (and we know she definitely didn't know her father).

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Re: Ellen Martha Overall - Age When Christened in 1856?
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 06 January 10 16:59 GMT (UK) »
I've just checked where Ellen's grandmother was living in 1851 and guess where - Sidney Place. So this seems to support the fact that the christening record I am looking at is for the Ellen Martha Overall born in 1846 and living with her grandmother in 1861. A useful bit of information Selina - thank you!