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Re: Coopers from and to .... all over the place !
« Reply #54 on: Tuesday 12 January 10 04:52 GMT (UK) »

Nah  it fits.

They married 1807 then had...

William 1808
Elizabeth 1810
Mary Ann 1813
Charles 1814
Frederick 1816
Emma 1818
Mary 1820
Emily 1822
Robert 1824

That's only 9 children in about 16 years, not that hard to credit really.

Not that I'm volunteering to test the theory mind :o :o ;D

Karenlee

EDIT... moving around... not really anything strange there either.  People moved where the work was mostly.  Then they could have come back to be closer to family, especially as both of them were from around that area.
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Re: Coopers from and to .... all over the place !
« Reply #55 on: Tuesday 12 January 10 04:54 GMT (UK) »


I'm so glad TV was invented before I decided to have children .......  ::) ::) ::)
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Re: Coopers from and to .... all over the place !
« Reply #56 on: Tuesday 12 January 10 04:57 GMT (UK) »


My Mum was one of 13, and she was born 1933 and was second last in line... so they were still doing it.

Which reminds me.. my cousin has 8.... okay, she cheated, they had 2 multiple births ( natural and unplanned twins and quads ).

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Re: Coopers from and to .... all over the place !
« Reply #57 on: Tuesday 12 January 10 08:08 GMT (UK) »


Right... moving on....

Not sure if this is your guy or not.. but he seems to fit what we think we know....

1861 Census England Middlesex St Margaret
RG9/54/27/57
Buckingham Street

COOPER
Charles Head Marr 48 Waiter Middlesex London
Philadelphia Wife Marr 38 Waiter's Wife Sussex Westfield
Philadelphia Dau Unmarr 7 Surrey Southwark
Charles J Son Unmarr 5 Scholar Middlesex Westminster
George J Son Unmarr 3 Middlesex Westminster


1871 Census England London St Margaret
RG10/128/84/26
Buckingham Street

COOPER
Charles Head Marr 58 Hall? Porter London
Philadelphia Wife Marr 48 London
Philadelphia L Dau Unmarr 19 Scholar London
George Son Unmarr 13 Hall? Boy London
Frederick E Son Unmarr 6 Scholar London

1881 Census England London St Margaret
RG11/119/15/24
6 Buckingham Street

COOPER
Charles Head Marr 68 Hall Porter City of London
Philadelphia Wife Marr 58 Westfield Sussex
Charles John Son Unmarr 25 Cab Proprietor Pimlico London
Frederick Son Unmarr 16 Clerk Pimlico London
Philadelphia Dau Unmarr 17 Telegraph Clerk Civil Service Pimlico London
G. W. GARRETT Lodger Unamrr 29 Bricklayer Southampton

Philadelphia died 1881 and Charles in 1889.  In 1891 Frederick and Philadelphia were living together.  Philadelphia died Fulham 1837.  Still following up on the other children

What do you think??

Are we stabbing in the dark??

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Re: Coopers from and to .... all over the place !
« Reply #58 on: Tuesday 12 January 10 18:25 GMT (UK) »
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Philadelphia died 1881 and Charles in 1889.  In 1891 Frederick and Philadelphia were living together.  Philadelphia died Fulham 1837

Is this three different scenerios ?  ::) or did you mean ....

1. Philadelphia died 1881 and Charles in 1889

2. You gave me a bit of a start there for a minute ... I thought you meant Frederick the Verger and Philadelphia ( the mother) were living together !!!!!!!!!  :o :o :o :o (I hope you mean the brother and sister F and P !!)

3. and I think maybe you meant P the daughter died 1937 !

I'd say this Charles in the census was a strong contender for sure .... I'll keep him close by !!  :D
I love it that Philadelphia is a "waiters wife" !!!!  ;)
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« Reply #59 on: Tuesday 12 January 10 23:31 GMT (UK) »

Dear oh dear... so sorry....

It was getting a bit hectic around here when I posted that one... Mr Karenlee had just wandered in from the coal face and the kids were destroying the kitchen making dinner. ;D ;D ;D

The P that died in 1881 was wife of Charles, who died 1889.

The P and F living together in 1891 were the brother and sister.

This is not F the Verger. I think he was  named after F the Verger who would have been his uncle.  Charles senior ( who married Philadelphia )  is brother to Fred the verger who married Theresa ( sister of Elizabeth ) and brother to your William ( husband of Elizabeth ) who we think died in 1864 in mysterious circumstances.

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Re: Coopers from and to .... all over the place !
« Reply #60 on: Wednesday 13 January 10 00:26 GMT (UK) »


Thats what I thought !!  ;D
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Re: Coopers from and to .... all over the place !
« Reply #61 on: Wednesday 13 January 10 00:31 GMT (UK) »


So, if this is the right family, then we have William, Charles and Frederick..... oh, we only have Frederick on the 1871 with his nephew John.... must rectify that and post the others.

So we need to find Robert and the 5 girls..... good thing I didn't have any plans for the next week or two. ;D ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #62 on: Wednesday 13 January 10 00:39 GMT (UK) »

Heres the list ...  :D Red denotes done !!  ;) .... it's the girls that always gives us grief !!  :-\

William 1808
Elizabeth 1810
Mary Ann 1813
Charles 1814
Frederick 1816
Emma 1818
Mary 1820
Emily 1822
Robert 1824
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