aaaarrggghhhh!
I need a family tree to work out who relates to who!
Les is good at those as is David Pinkney!
How far back have you got with the Ingram line?
Robyn
John Ingram bp. 10.02.1799 Belton Rutland died 1876 Thaxted Essex - Warrens father - son of James & elizabeth Ingram
1861 Belton Rutland RG9; 2308; 55; 6;
1871 Thaxted Essex RG10; 1706; : 11; 13;
Deaths Jun 1876 Ingram John aged 77 Dunmow 4a 253
source - igi C150031 plus census gro index etc
JOhn occ ag lab farmer publican
first child Sarah b. 1835 last child Warren b.1858
his wife Sarah was a midwife - she was born 1816 Rutland died 1896
Following oin from Annie Susan being minus husband in 1861.
There is only one Alfred Urwin born London ion the 1861 census. - In Lewes jail.
RG9; Piece: 586; Folio: 23; Page: 4;
He is saying he is 19, a couple of years younger than his actual age I think and a tailor, we don't know what his original occupation was, he was making bags in 1871 then appears to become a dealer ( what in I wonder?).
So I wonder what he had been up to?
He appears not to have spent years in jail with the children being born in the 1860s but he was obviously up to something.
wasn't one said to be a tea dealer
FWW - born circa 1860 had 1 child with Ada before she left him and went back 'up north' if i remember rightly
They are definitely lying low on census night, unless they were doing another moonlight flit. I can't see them on 1901 either.
thought about that - that they could be in the progress of a 'smoke'
it seems (from the evidence given in court) Sidney was present at more than one fire - from about the age of 4 right up to the age of 10
Daniel Sweeney, confectioner (deceased)
Confectioner?That's what Warren Ingram said when he lied about his job on his marriage.
There are too many coincidences on all of this.
Toni where are you?
some of the Ingrams became confectioners i think (from memory) when they moved from Rutland to Thaxted
i really dont think George Cullmer was a very nice person at all the newspaper articles say about the wrath of George and then he threatened to 'do for hismother' with a hammer for 4 days after she went off to Paris, when his grandmother warned him to wait re doing a 'smoke' he waited til she was out and did it anyway even though he knew she wasnt insured and put her stuff into his room to bump up the claim - the owner of that house gave evidence at the trial. Waas Fredericks death really suicide ?
