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Re: Help Please: Richard George NASH (born Bristol 1852) )
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 17 January 10 23:01 GMT (UK) »
Oh, durn !
Thankyou anyway , Kris.
They were quite a literate family, so (transcription errors aside) I believe that they would have had intended spellings correct.
Family oral tradition adamantly asserts he was born in Bristol, lived for a 'few years' in South Africa, returned to 'England' and came to New Zealand in 1872 (when he would have been still just 20 years of age).
That considered, maybe he was born a little earlier than indicated.

So, folks, I am still open to further suggestions.

Thanks
Ed. Eyre
EYRE :        Sheffield - Yorkshire
COX:          City of Oxford
NASH:         Edmonton - Middlesex
CULL:          Canterbury - Kent
GILLIES:      Paisley - Renfrewshire
O'CONNOR: Limerick, Ireland  ~ 57th Regiment of Foot
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Re: Help Please: Richard George NASH (born Bristol 1852) )
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 17 January 10 23:38 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ed,

Sorry but I think your best bet will be the NZ certs to start with in the hope of parent details. We are just not finding a likely candidate in either a birth entry, or appearing in the census. I see a submitted IGI entry lists him as aged 21 at marriage so that would mean born more like 1854 - alas hasn't helped me.  :'(

The cert may clarify - Information on the marriage cert he would have provided himself.

Cheers Kris
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New Info: Re Richard George Nash, born Bristol, 1854
« Reply #11 on: Monday 18 January 10 06:48 GMT (UK) »
I have just discovered that, contrary to my previous posting -
Richard George NASH, whom I seek background information for may have been born 1854 (not 1852). I still believe Bristol is the birthplace.
Important, extra info is that his parents were James NASH and June NASH (nee Duff), I believe, of Bristol or nearby.
Richard should appear on the 1861 England Census, but may have departed for NZ before the 1871 poll. His parents were probably still alive at both of these dates.
Any extra background info that can be uncovered on him and/or his family will be gratefully accepted.
Knowing how good you guys are,
Thanks, in anticipation -

Ed Eyre (NZ) (GGrandson)
EYRE :        Sheffield - Yorkshire
COX:          City of Oxford
NASH:         Edmonton - Middlesex
CULL:          Canterbury - Kent
GILLIES:      Paisley - Renfrewshire
O'CONNOR: Limerick, Ireland  ~ 57th Regiment of Foot
                                     (Crimea,India,New Zealand)

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Re: Help Please: Richard George NASH (born Bristol 1852) )
« Reply #12 on: Monday 18 January 10 11:05 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ed,
Sorry, my mistake, as I accidentally typed George instead of Richard!

I searched several passenger list sites looking for him. This was to make up for my booboo.
There is a record of a Richard Nash , age 20, arriving in Auckland 3 September 1873 on the BERAR which left from London.
The full list is;
JAMES Nash, 45
RICHARD Nash, 20
CHARLES Nash, 14
ALBERT Nash, 10

Although arriving in Auckland many immigrants took passage on ships down the Coast and could have ended up anywhere in NZ.
The names look good to me from what you have quoted earlier as Richard sons names.
The info is from the Ackland City Libraries Digital Library;
http://0-www.aucklandcity.govt.nz.www.elgar.govt.nz/dbtw-wpd/passengers/passenger.html

I do not have access to Census info at present but you or someone else may be able to find the Family in 1861/1871.

I think the Marriage Cert is a necessity as it should contain the info you require. I have several from the same era and they were invaluable for tracing my NZ end back to their English origins.

Cheers,
Trish :)
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Re: Help Please: Richard George NASH (born Bristol 1852) )
« Reply #13 on: Monday 18 January 10 11:15 GMT (UK) »
This is interesting.
From the IGI, extracted record;
Marriage;
James Frank NASH, Father James Nash
Mary Ann BARNES
12 October 1851, Bistol (sic), Gloucester, England

May be worth keeping in mind until you purchase the Marriage Cert of Richard.

Trish :)

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Re: Help Please: Richard George NASH (born Bristol 1852) )
« Reply #14 on: Monday 18 January 10 18:09 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Trish. Great stuff!

(I wasn't chipping you regarding the typo - and I assumed it was only that -
but I thought I had better run the 'correction' in case someone else accepted  it as a critical precondition.
I will order the Certs. 
I am now much more confident, (and surprised, actually) knowing that the 'family' (sans mother) were in NZ around the time of Richard's marriage (in Gisborne, March 1875).
I have been a little reluctant to order the certs because of previous disappointing results - especially with the older ones, pre 1865 or so.
I have several times paid the fee and then found, on sighting, that they contained nothing more than that which I already knew.
I really do appreciate your assistance.
Thanks again

Ed Eyre Wanganui, NZ)
EYRE :        Sheffield - Yorkshire
COX:          City of Oxford
NASH:         Edmonton - Middlesex
CULL:          Canterbury - Kent
GILLIES:      Paisley - Renfrewshire
O'CONNOR: Limerick, Ireland  ~ 57th Regiment of Foot
                                     (Crimea,India,New Zealand)

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Re: Help Please: Richard George NASH (born Bristol 1852) )
« Reply #15 on: Monday 18 January 10 19:53 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ed and Trish

That is a great find, the passenger lists......and the addition of parents names for Richard

Just to let you know, I've been digging in the 1861/1871 Census any/all which way I can think of and coming up with ........nothing!   Very frustrating. Will have another go at it today.

Cheers  :)
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Re: Help Please: Richard George NASH (born Bristol 1852) )
« Reply #16 on: Monday 18 January 10 20:52 GMT (UK) »
A lead!

NZ BMD:  An Albert Joseph Stewart NASH died in NZ 1933 age 70.
So born abt 1863 (the right year to match the las on the BERAR in 1873)
Can't see a corresponding birth in NZ

NZBMD:
1889 MARRIAGE: Albert Joseph Stuart NASH and Elizabeth HALLASAY

http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/th/read/NEW-ZEALAND/1999-03/0922239267
Charles Lionel NASH married Emily HARRIS 27 Jan 1883 Makaraka, Turanga,
Gisborne NZ. Wits were Albert Joseph Stuart NASH and Rhoda NASH.
Presume the HARRIS family lived Makaraka; Timothy HARRIS was a contractor.
Both Charles NASH and Timothy HARRIS families were in NSW by 1885-6.

NSW Australia BMD:
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/searchHistoricalRecords.htm
DEATH: Charles L NASH - 1903 - District NEWTOWN - Parents: James and Jane.


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Re: Help Please: Richard George NASH (born Bristol 1852) )
« Reply #17 on: Monday 18 January 10 21:01 GMT (UK) »
http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/th/read/NEW-ZEALAND/1999-03/0922239277
A descendant of Charles Lionel NASH writes (10 years ago, mind):

James and Jane (nee DUFFY) NASH.

Son Charles Lionel NASH says on all certs that he was born Cape of Good Hope c1860.
Searches of South Africa records and St Caths at sea unsuccessful.
It is thought he may have been born on the voyage to NZ.
Charles Lionel NASH married Emily HARRIS 27 Jan 1883 Makaraka, Turanga,
Gisborne NZ. One witness was Albert Joseph Stuart NASH, another Rhoda NASH.
Request help to try and find ARRIVAL of James, Jane and Charles Lionel NASH
to NZ, perhaps c1860. Birth of Albert Joseph Stuart NASH may help, or
perhaps he arrived also as a child; he may have been married to Rhoda ???

The whole family, ie James NASH, Charles Lionel NASH, Albert Joseph Stuart
NASH (who lived Gisborne) were painters (don't know whether this means
artists or house painters).

Family of Charles Lionel and Emily NASH in NSW by 1886, apparently with chn
Amelia J (bc1883) and Albert (bc1885). However no definite sign of any
other NASH family member in Oz. What happened to James and Jane NASH,
Albert Joseph Stuart NASH and any other family members?


Cheers
AMBLY
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