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Kezia Pateman b abt 1814 in Langford, Bedfordshire - COMPLETED
« on: Monday 25 January 10 00:25 GMT (UK) »
i was wondering if there is any birth records of Kezia in the records around that time.  If not i have seen on someones family tree that maybe her name was Crisanna???

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Kate
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Re: Kezia Pateman b abt 1814 in Langford, Bedfordshire
« Reply #1 on: Monday 25 January 10 05:34 GMT (UK) »
I have Kezia in my database, although she's not connected to me, other than very peripherally - her daughter Maria Briars married into my Legate family from Henlow, Beds. Kezia married William James Briars at Stevenage, Herts on 24 Dec 1840. The marriage can be found on www.freebmd.org.uk. in Hitchin registration district in the Dec quarter 1840 vol 6 page 914 - Kezia is indexed as Patenam. If you purchase the marriage certificate you'll get her father's name - this can be ordered online at http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

Langford baptisms for this period are on the IGI at www.familysearch.org (at least female baptisms are), and there's no Kezia, but there is a Crisanna on 10 Oct 1813. Whether this is a mangling of Kezia I don't know, but I can't find any subsequent reference to Crisanna. You'd need to view the parish register microfilm, and possibly the Bishops Transcript too, to see what you think her name is - you can order and view them at your nearest LDS Family History Centre. But if it's definitely Crisanna it will be a job to prove that she was actually Kezia.

Got all excited for a moment when I found the family in 1871, living next door to Josiah and Maria Legate, where living with James and Kezia Briars was a William Norman 19 described as wife's brother. Kezia was 58 at this time, making it unlikely that William could have been a full brother, but checking him out I think he was the son son of Isaac Norman who married Rebecca Briars in 1839, so he appears to have been connected via the Briars, not the Patemans.

No doubt that your next step should be to purchase the marriage cert. If her father was John, the same as Crisanna's, then you can start to consider looking at the parish register to see if there's a possibility that the name has been mistranscribed on the IGI

David
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            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
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            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
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Re: Kezia Pateman b abt 1814 in Langford, Bedfordshire
« Reply #2 on: Monday 25 January 10 07:49 GMT (UK) »

  Hi
   If it is any help also on IGI is the marriage and like others I have seen gives parents names....

 Kezia Pateman age 25  father John Pateman
 William James Briars age 23 father Joseph Glazebrook.
 Married 24 Dec 1840 Stevenage Herts.Extracted record.

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Re: Kezia Pateman b abt 1814 in Langford, Bedfordshire
« Reply #3 on: Monday 25 January 10 07:59 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Tazzie, that moves us onto step b), the parish register and the BT

David
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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
            Eltisley: Medlock
            Graveley: Ford/Revell


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Re: Kezia Pateman b abt 1814 in Langford, Bedfordshire
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 27 January 10 17:33 GMT (UK) »
The Langford PR baptism on microfiche is Oct 10 1813 Crisanna daughter of John & Ann Pateman, abode Langford, labourer.  It is clear enough as Crisanna, it is not going to be a corruption of Kezia.

I checked though the baptisms up to 1830 to see if a Kezia Pateman turned up as a late baptism, but it did not.

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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
            Eltisley: Medlock
            Graveley: Ford/Revell

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Re: Kezia Pateman b abt 1814 in Langford, Bedfordshire
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 28 January 10 16:40 GMT (UK) »
Kezia gave her father as John on her marriage. In 1841 she was living in the same household as James Pateman, who also gave his father as John  at his Feb 1839 marriage , when James was 22.  A member submission giving James' baptism as 23 March 1816 is on the IGI*. In 1851 he was 33, so it's not an exact match, but close enough not to cause me too much worry. So on the face of it Kezia and James were siblings.

John Pateman and his wife Ann Copperthwaite married at Langford on 16 Apr 1803, and baptised children regularly. If Kezia was theirs it was inconsistent that she wasn't baptised. Her age would have been such as for her to have been born at roughly the same time as Crisanna.

As I can find no further trace of Crisanna I think she was probably Kezia and the vicar made a complete hash of spelling her name. But I would never be able to prove it. The only possibility is that John made a will leaving a bequest to his daughter Kezia. You'd have to check with BLARS to see if they hold a will.

A John Pateman age 74 was buried at Langford on 1 Sept 1847, which might be the father.

David

*This baptism is on the BVRI as being on 23 March 1817, son of John and Ann. Shows again how you shouldn't rely on member submissions.
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
            Eltisley: Medlock
            Graveley: Ford/Revell

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Re: Kezia Pateman b abt 1814 in Langford, Bedfordshire
« Reply #7 on: Friday 29 January 10 06:59 GMT (UK) »
i tend to think that Kezia is a sort of nickname that was used, because if there is no propper baptism of Kezia and only Crisanna, and i can find Kezia in all the census's i tend to think that it is her.  on the census's she always puts Langford in Beds as where she was born.

Thanks for all the info

Kate
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Re: Kezia Pateman b abt 1814 in Langford, Bedfordshire
« Reply #8 on: Friday 29 January 10 07:06 GMT (UK) »
it is interesting looking at the family tree and seeing how many times the same surname comes up Norman, Briers, Pateman, Legate, they seem to be consistently scattered trough the tree.
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