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still Searching for origins of MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« on: Monday 08 February 10 22:29 GMT (UK) »
The story to date!!    :)

Catharine Christiana McNally was the common law wife of Thomas Ransom in Hobart between about 1814 and 1829.

As so far discussed, a lack of paper trail suggests she was a free woman - either when she arrived or born free here.

A comment in a letter written, by Thomas to Lieut. Gov. George Arthur, in 1824 suggests that the partnership with Catharine was of 11 years standing - though he doesn't actually name her, the inference is strong    If so, how did she arrive in Van Dieman's Land?

What we have found so far:

Possibly with John McNally in Sydney as mother of John Jnr in 1811 - either as wife or common law wife.

Did she come south to VDL with John Cummings and household in 1816? - papers mention he was bringing a John McNally and family with him.

1st appearance 1819 as un-named wife of Thomas in muster - no children in evidence.
2   Baptism record of Thomas Jnr, Dec 18th 1820 at St David's Church Hobart.  She is listed as unmarried.
3   Mrs Ransom giving to Wesleyan Mission - 1823 papers
         1825 Thomas and family move to Royal Oak at Green Ponds as per papers - not married.
4   Mention of Catharine being present in 1828 at alleged infringement, and then giving evidence at court case held at Royal Oak 1829.
5   Taking over licence of Royal Oak 1829.
6  Granted probate for Thomas's will Nov. 1829
7   Marriage to Frederick Von Stielitz 1830  original marriage certificate and her signature sighted.
8   Named in Martin cash's book as Chatelaine of Killymoon when he was employed there 1837.
9   Sending exhibits to exhibitions in London and Paris in 1850s.
10  Death notice, certificate and gravestone 1857 - named as Christina Stieglitz.  Age at death 68 suggest birth around 1789/90.

One possible 'colonial born' girl has surfaced - though the age is a bit out.  Catharine Morrison born 1793 to Archibald and Christiana Morrison in Sydney.   He was a soldier and went home to England in 1809.   Could Catharine have stayed , married and . . . . ?

A couple of Catharine McNallys have also been found - but getting them to Australia without being noticed is difficult!    ;)

We've covered a HUGE amount of ground but are no closer to solving the mystery.

Any help gratefully received - specially if you hold the key to the puzzle!!!    

Wiggy      :)

Moderatror Comment: This thread is continued from here (the last post of a very long thread)

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=412225.msg3001125#msg3001125

We are now at part Part 3. Pease try to add new information and not to repost everything from these 2 previous threads or we will be at part 4 before we know it. Thank You.


Part 1. Please help? RANSOM Thomas 1820: MCNALLY Catharine; AMOS T: STIEGLITZ

Part 2. Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana



 
Gaunt, Ransom, McNally, Stanfield, Kimberley. (Tasmania)
Brown, Johnstone, Eskdale, Brand  (Dumfriess,  Scotland)
Booth, Bruerton, Deakin, Wilkes, Kimberley
(Warwicks, Staffords)
Gaunt (Yorks)
Percy, Dunning, Hyne, Grigg, Farley (Devon, UK)
Duncan (Fife, Devon), Hugh, Blee (Cornwall)
Green, Mansfield, (Herts)
Cavenaugh, Ransom (Middlesex)
 

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Re: still Searching for origins of MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 09 February 10 02:32 GMT (UK) »
Nice to see it started.

Checked a book on NI burials this am. most entries were way to late to be of intest and the early ones were not relevant.

Robyn
The following families and their Australian decendents:
Abbott, Barnard, Clarke, Inward, Lanfear, Rutter,Spencer:Middlesex
Greenaway:Cornwall
Edney, Godwin/Goodwin, Gullett:Hampshire;
Gullett:Devon
Emms:39th Regiment of Foot 1810-1832
Gordon:Scotland
Arnold, Morton:Ireland
Davies:Wales
Olcorn:Cumberland
Osborne:Staffordshire
Harrington:Kent
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Gross: Tullau Wurtmemburg Germany

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Re: still Searching for origins of MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 09 February 10 03:32 GMT (UK) »
sylivia,

posted and examined and invesstigated in thread 1

Robyn
The following families and their Australian decendents:
Abbott, Barnard, Clarke, Inward, Lanfear, Rutter,Spencer:Middlesex
Greenaway:Cornwall
Edney, Godwin/Goodwin, Gullett:Hampshire;
Gullett:Devon
Emms:39th Regiment of Foot 1810-1832
Gordon:Scotland
Arnold, Morton:Ireland
Davies:Wales
Olcorn:Cumberland
Osborne:Staffordshire
Harrington:Kent
&
Gross: Tullau Wurtmemburg Germany

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Re: still Searching for origins of MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 09 February 10 04:10 GMT (UK) »
Hi all,

From thread 2,

AA) Catharine Rook as early as May 1811 as crew on Perservence .... with one crew member being a James Macanally... probably he was a James McGuire, alias James McNally who had recently completed his 7 year sentence, as that chap was an experienced seaman.   Names associated with the ship Perservence (Perserverance) include a Captain William ROOK ...  and there's an 1817 death in Hobart of an old resident, Mrs Rook who arrived there from the penal colony of Norfolk Island (where Thomas Ransom served his convict sentence)...

BB) In 1818 VDL muster, there's a Catherine McGuire, a free woman in Hobart Town, not found in later VDL musters...

Re pt 2 The baptism of Thomas in 1820, showing Catherine as unmarried shows up on IGI extracted, surname McNally (not Ransom) ... noting NO name showing for the child's father or mother on that IGI index

Red Pt 4 the offence that Catharine attested about was in 1826 and it seems that Mr Ransom had a different bedroom to her, Catharine indicates she (Catharine) had provided accomodation for a female guest in her room (Catharine's) and Mr Ransom was in a different bedroom...

Re pt 6 The Will of Thomas Ransom (died early 1829) is online. Thomas Ransom bequeaths his estate to Catharine and in trust for HER son (not "our" or "my" son) and names them both as : Catharine Christiana McNally and Thomas McNally.  The will does NOT define the relationship between himself and Catharine.

There's lots of other clues from those two very long threads ... ,

There's no evidence in the threads (over 55 pages) that Thomas Ransom was the biological father of Catharine's son, Thomas.  If he was the father, he would have been about 77 years of age  ::)

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Re: still Searching for origins of MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 09 February 10 04:37 GMT (UK) »
Hi Sylvia,

Thanks for your interest!

Wiggy
Gaunt, Ransom, McNally, Stanfield, Kimberley. (Tasmania)
Brown, Johnstone, Eskdale, Brand  (Dumfriess,  Scotland)
Booth, Bruerton, Deakin, Wilkes, Kimberley
(Warwicks, Staffords)
Gaunt (Yorks)
Percy, Dunning, Hyne, Grigg, Farley (Devon, UK)
Duncan (Fife, Devon), Hugh, Blee (Cornwall)
Green, Mansfield, (Herts)
Cavenaugh, Ransom (Middlesex)
 

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Re: still Searching for origins of MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 09 February 10 07:07 GMT (UK) »
Hi all,

The Tas Archives has departure of seaman John Macnally from Hobart in Jan 1818, crew on the Governor Macquarie.  I think he may have crewed on that ship for years !  and I recall from the 2nd thread that the James McGuire used aliases including McNally ...

The Sydney Gaz has him as crew on that vessel in August 1814 ... and that's a critical year for Wiggy's searching for Catharine ... and significantly I can find both that John Macnally and also Captain Wm Rook in port at the very same time, ie in August 1814 ...

The MACNALLY & ROOK names appear in the ONE advertisement even ...  Sydney Gazette, 13 August 1814 .... Rook as captain of the Elizabeth & Mary and Macnally as previously mentioned on the Gov. Macquarie ... 

There's no mention of any female crew members in that advert ...

http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/628963

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Re: still Searching for origins of MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 09 February 10 07:36 GMT (UK) »
Re Macnally, crew on Governor Macquarie ...

By Dec 1818, he was no longer being named as crew on that vessel ... see Syd Gazette 26 December 1818, lists crew about to depart Sydney and in same edition it notes the ship's destination ... The Derwent  (but of course  ;D )

Same newspaper edition also notes that Mr William Rook and the Elizabeth & Mary are in Sydney and about to depart too ...

http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2178445

So, if there's a connection between Catharine Christiana McNally and/or  Mr William Rook and or the sailor, Macnally ... it was perhaps broken sometime between Jan 1818 and Dec 1818 ... which may well explain why neither Catharine nor Thomas were able to rectify it ...   

On the other hand, this posting does not explain how Catharine was not eligible to marry Thomas Ransom, but after his Feb 1829 death and before her marriage to Fred Von S in Jan 1830 she then became eligible ...  nor does it find a father for Catharine's son, baptised in Dec 1820, Parish Records indicating birth in Nov 1820 ...

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