Any help appreciated, Carey, Hedges, Lewis and Bragg

[fancypants]

Hi I have drawn a blank when it comes to researching my husbands side of the family further back than Phoebe Hedges born 1863 in Fernhurst Sussex. She was married I believe to Walter Lewis born 1859 in Leytonstone, Essex. At the time of the 1901 census they were in Thursley, Surrey living in a small group of travellers in caravans and tents. Lydia Lewis was my husbands Great Grandmother.

I am also finding it difficult to trace the Carey family links I have an Elias Carey born 1870 in Pitts Gate, Lamberhurst, Kent. He married  Matilda Eyres and then it seems Eliza Hedges. He was at one point in a caravan at Wisley, Surrey.
Elias was my husbands Great Grandad. They have been in the Woking area on and off since the 1850's at least.

Lastly on my side of the family my mothers Grandfather Harry Bragg born 1863 in Peckham, lived in Hampshire but mainly lived in Woking, he was the owner of the Kingfield Arms pub in Kingfield at the time of the 1901 census. Father to 9 youngest being my Grandmother Eva Myrtle born 1910. Some time ago we heard there could be a link to showmen.
 I would appreciate any info you may have.
Many thanks

[CitizenSmith]

Hi Fancypants

I'm researching Draper as a Gypsy surname - but I also collect references to the surname Carey as some of my Drapers seemed to use it as an alias, so that might be something for you to keep in mind.

The Drapers mainly tended to travel in Herts/Bucks/Beds/Oxon but occasionally dipped down into Berkshire, Surrey and Kent.

I also found the following baptism in my database. Is it one of yours?

CAREY Unity
d of ELIAS and ELIZA CAREY
bp 7 September 1930
Binstead, Surrey
'hop picking'

This came from Jackie Blackman's Passing Through website which - unfortunately - is no longer online.

Best wishes
Sharon

[trish1120]

Hi fancypants,
Welcome to Rootschat.

CAREY;

Birth;
Elias CAREY, September 1870, Ticehurst, 2b 92
Marriage:
Elias CAREY, September 1894, Dartford, 2a 689
On the same page Matilda EYRES
Marriage;
Elias CAREY/Eliza HEDGES, March 1912, Guildford, 2a 111

CAREY Births, Mother Hedges
JOSEPH 1913
SILVANUS 1914
ELIAS J, 1916
JOHN, 1917
MATILDA, 1919
ALICE 1921
WILLIAM J 1922
THOMAS 1923
LILY 1925
WILLIAM 1927
UNITY 1930#

Do you have the Certs?

Trish

[trish1120]

HARRY BRAGG
Birth Reg,
Harry BRAGG, March 1864, Camberwell, 1d 536

1871 Census he appears with Mother SARAH in Long Ditton, Surrey

1871 Census
10 South Bank, Long Ditton
RG10/863/127/19

Sarah BRAGG, 45, Head, Mar, born Croydon, Surrey
Frank, 13, Son, Doctors boy, born Sydenham, Kent
Eliza, 11, Daug, General servant, born Brixton, Surrey
John, 9, Son, Scholar, born Camberwell, Surrey
HARRY, 7, Son, Scholar, born Long Ditton
James, 5mths, Son, born Long Ditton

1861 ( before Harry is born)
Lambeth, Surrey
RG9/360/10/16

Wm BRAGG, 45, Head, Mar, Baker, born Carshalton, Surrey
Sarah, 35
Ann, 10
Eleanor, 8
William, 5
Frank, 3
Eliza, 1
So Ann/Eleanor/William have left home by 1871

1871 now that I have his name and POB William is a Servant/ Bakers Foreman in Hampton Wick, Middlesex.
RG10/866/24/8

First child of Harry and Phillis is William Lane BRAGG, Reg Hambleton, December 1887, 2a 143
( he seems to be known as Harry william L in 1891 Census)

Possible Marriage for William parents;
William BRAGG
Sarah LANE, June 1853, Camberwell, 1d 686

Trish

If you need more let me know

[nelwild]

Hello,
this is intresting to me as i have a Jane Hedges marrying Joseph Vinson/Vincent in Guildford march quart 1909.
The 1911 shows:

Joseph Vinson b1881 Tunbridge Wells gypsy hawker
Jane Vinson born 1886 Surrey Shere
Sidney Vinson born 1910 Surrey Shere.

Married 3 years

Living in a tent on common fields,West Horsley nr Leatherhead,Surrey.

Other Vinson/Hedges children registered in Surrey:

John 1912
Joseph 1915
Thomas 1920

Other families with them are Vinson,Cooper,Marney,Parker,Deakins,Gobey and Lee.
On 1901 theres also a family called Junix/Junex.

Like Fancypants and her Hedges,ive been unable to find anything on this Hedges lady before 1911.

I think theres a good chance their connected,if anyone can establish it and find more on her id be very intrested.

The Vinsons are connected to Matthews.

Regards,
Nel.

[nelwild]

Just a couple more travelling Hedges in Guildford area,in case it helps.

1901 census.

Alfred Hedges b 1855  N  general hawker
Betsey Hedges b 1856  N
George            b  1895  N
Esther             b   1896 N
Jobie                b   1898  N 


Harry Hedges b 1881  N  general hawker
Eliza Hedges  b  1881  N

Caravans,Browns Yard,Poole Rd,Woking.

Cant find a marriage for Alfred or Harry to anyone with these names.
Only Alfred marriage i can find is june quart 1875 Kinston.4 names are:

Alfred Hedges/William Vincent/Mary Ayres/Miriam Newton,all traveller surnames.

Cant find Alfred or Harry before 1901.Nothing on 1911 for any of them either.

Intresting also that Elias Carey and Matilda(Eyres) are also stoping in Guildford on 1901,and they too have a son named Jobie.

Cant see Elias and family on any other census,including 1911.

Nel.

[fancypants]

Wow thanks for the advise and info.

This is what I have so far

Joseph  Carey 1913 Woking, Surrey
Father - Elias  Carey 1870, Pitts Gate, Lamberhurst, Kent. Married Matilda Eyres had children Albert 1897, Jobie 1899, Rebecca 1900.
Then more children with Eliza Hedges.
Children Trayton 1811
Frank 1912
Joseph 1913
Elias 1915
John 1917
Polly 1919
Thomas 1923
Elizabeth 1825
William 1927



Sally

[shehen23]

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Just a couple more travelling Hedges in Guildford area,in case it helps.

1901 census.

Alfred Hedges b 1855  N  general hawker
Betsey Hedges b 1856  N
George            b  1895  N
Esther             b   1896 N
Jobie                b   1898  N 


Harry Hedges b 1881  N  general hawker
Eliza Hedges  b  1881  N

Caravans,Browns Yard,Poole Rd,Woking.

Just around the corner oldest son Alfred was living with his new wife Matilda, nee Matthews (my great great grandparents). This Alfred gave his date and place of birth as 1879 in Wolerbury, Kent. 
Alfred Snr was the son of James and Eliza  seen together on the 1851 and 1861 census'.

[Maggott]

Hi  Don't forget the long correspondence about the Hedges & their relations which we had on this page a few months ago. 
I'm still after the Hedges who settled in Reigate.  Also John & Elizabeth Brewer & their children, Eden and Reuben-if you come across a mention,please let me know.  Maggott