Wrexham:Baptism of Mary Ann Edwards

[jmo12]

I have failed to find a birth certificate at GRO and am hoping that my Great Grandmother was Christened at Wrexham so that I can confirm her parents names etc..
 Details are:
 Mary Ann(e) EDWARDS b. 1863/4  Brymbo, Wrexham.

I think her mother's name was Margaret (Edwards or Jones or Owens) and her father's  name was possibly John Edwards, Thomas Jones.
She was living with parents John and Margaret Edwards in 1871 along with her siblings in Mount Pleasant Inn, (Pentre) Broughton. And in 1881 they were in Pentre Row, (Pentre) Broughton.

If someone could lookup the relevant register I would be very grateful.

[kerry1212]

there is a birth mary ann edwards 1862 oct quarter wrexham

kerry

[kerry1212]

just looked agin and there is at least 3 mary ann edwards born in 1860's in wrexham

kerry

[jmo12]

Hi Kerry

Yes there are several Mary Ann Edwards births in Wrexham 1862/3/4 but I have not found one with the parents that I require. That is why I hope there is a baptism recorded with the parents I require.

Thanks for your time
John

[maidmarion]

Hi John,
Who did Mary Ann/e marry please and have you obtained her marriage certificate as this should  give her father's name and occupation?

Posting the info below to assist others in the search

1881 Pentre Row
RG11/ 5516/19/31
John Edwards wid 70 clerk
Edward " 19 coalminer
John "15 "
Mary Ann " 18 housekeeper
Louisa Eliz. " 10 sch
John " grandson 1 b.Broughton
Unless stated born Brymbo.

1871 Mount Pleasant Inn, Cerney
RG10/5656/12/17
John Edwards  H mar 60 publican
Margaret " wife 33
Margaret " daur 11
Edward " son 9
Mary Anne " daur 7
John " son 3
Louisa Elizth " daur 7mths
All born Wrexham

Is this John in 1861 living ? Gyfnnes, Brymbo.
RG9/4277/42/1
John Edwards  H unm 50 farm 50acres b.Brymbo
Mary Sweeney unm 30 dairymaid b.Ireland
Hugh Hughes unm 40 labourer b.DEN
Mary Jones serv 21 b.Brymbo
Margaret Jones daur 1 b.Brymbo 
This would appear to show Margaret to be the child of John and Mary 

Do you know the family's religion? There were lots of non conformist chapels in the area and the baptism registers may not have survived.

Have you tried contacting Wrexham Register Office to see if they can help locate the correct birth?
http://www.wrexham.gov.uk/english/life_events/bereavement/register_office.htm

[kerry1212]

1901 census there is a mary ann edwards b abt 1860 with husband robert edwards in brymbo denbighshire wales with children robert d edwards and william 

kerry

[jmo12]

Hi

Thanks to Maidmarion and Kerry 1212 for their responses.

I can add the 1851 census info (to that stated previously) as follows:
Living at Cappers Edge, Brymbo, a farm of 60 acres, John Edwards was living with his mother.

Margaret Edwards Hd Widow  76 Farmer of 60 acres Brymbo
John Edwards        Son UnM   40   "   son                         "
Ann Davies            Serv   "     38   House Serv             Denbigh
David   "                    "              25  Farm Lab                 Llangollen

Mary Ann  had an illegimate son, John Owens Edwards (my grandfather) b. 18.01.1880 and kept him at least until Apr. 1881 but by 1891 he had been adopted and living with a Edward and Catherine Williams in Brymbo.

Why did Mary Ann allow her son to be adopted after keeping him for at least the first 15 months? Did she die(I have not found a DC)?Did she marry (I have checked some MCert), and if she did why did she not keep Mary Ann?

As you say,in 1861, it does seem that Margaret Jones, 1 is the daughter of John Edwards and Mary Jones, Housekeeper. I thought that in 1871 this same Margaret Edwards 11 was the dau. of John and Margaret (did she have two names Mary and Margaret or was in 1861 was it an enumerator error). I cannot find a MC for John and Margaret Edwards but there is one for John Edwards and Mary Jones.
I do not know the religion of the family.I do have a BC for Mary Anne's youngest sister, Louise Elizabeth b 1870 and her parents are John Edwards and Margaret Edwards nee Owens. I think that possibly Margaret Owens married a Thomas Jones, had a daghter Margaret in 1859/60, split up, Mary/Margaret went to work for John Edwards and then they had a family???

Thanks for any help.
John

[maidmarion]

Hi
So your Grandfather is John, listed in 1881 as Grandson, mother Mary Ann Edwards so it's possible that the name "Owens" came from his father or indeed his grandmother/step grandmother's maiden name.

I suppose we can speculate as to why John Owens was adopted out......if she married perhaps her husband may not have wanted to take on her illegitimate child.

I haven't been able to locate her death or find her in 1891 either 

Have you confirmed John Edwards' death by certificate or looking for a burial? There are a couple of likely deaths registered between 1881 and 1891. Perhaps you could also see if he left a will.

There is a Margaret Jones Edwards death reg
Wrexham  Dec 1/4 1872,  37yrs 

[maidmarion]

Hi jmo12,

Your family are very complicated 

Have you ordered the birth cert for Margaret Jones born c.1860? This may prove interesting!I believe the GROs checking service will cease in April but you could apply to Wrexham and state fathers name and Brymbo as pob.

Why do you think Margaret Owens married a Thomas Jones please?