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Re: Ethel Hemson or Ethel Dezombre?
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 06 April 10 08:36 BST (UK) »
That link that Debbie provided was the tree I was referring to. My questioning their information stemmed from the fact they have her dying in England and buried in BC.

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Canada: Patterson, Brown, Haidenger/Heidinger, Meyer, Johnston(e), Gorsuch, Kitchin/Kitchen
United States: Patterson, Smith, Brown, Vance, Bower(s), Newberry, Best, Love, Gorsuch
England (Northumberland): Brown, Whitfield, Henderson
Scotland (Glasgow, Edinburgh, Fife, East Lothian): Johnston(e), Bell, Galloway, Campbell, Robertson, Williamson, Thomson, Crawford
Germans from Russia: Haidenger/Heidinger, Meyer, Meach, Lorenz

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Re: Ethel Hemson or Ethel Dezombre?
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 06 April 10 17:22 BST (UK) »
I have emailed the owner of that tree , offered to send him a copy of the Ostler/Dezombre marriage and also asked if he now has any more info regarding Ethel Ostler.  poli
Behling---- London
Bridges---- London
Copperwheat----Bedfordshire---Norfolk
Denton----Bedfordshire
Edwards----Wales
Evans----N.Wales
Farrow----Norfolk
Hughes----N.Wales
Jones----Wales---Bedfordshire
Lambert----London
Larmouth/uth----London
Ostler----Norfolk
Sherwood----Bedfordshire
Silver----Bedfordshire---Suffolk
Smart----Leicestershire---Middx
Teagle----Buckinghamshire---Wales
Totterdell----Hampshire---London---Stoke-On-Trent
Woods----London

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Re: Ethel Hemson or Ethel Dezombre?
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 06 April 10 18:10 BST (UK) »
While you're waiting for more definite information on Ethel Gertrude I found some information on Maria Cordelia.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/08e0/
Most likely arrival with husband and children on the "Canada" arriving June 20, 1908 from Liverpool to Montreal.
The notation of going to sister looks like Jones at first glance but perhaps Ames?

http://www.rootschat.com/links/08e1/
Pg 1 of the 1911 census where she is transcribed as Queenie and shown as being born Ontario
http://www.rootschat.com/links/08e2/
Pg 2 of the 1911 census - these 2 children were actually born in Ontario

There is a birth record for Rosena Blance Finch d/o Mariah Ostler and Frederick Finch (Painter) for Jan 11, 1909 at 331 Christie St. Toronto.  It also shows that Frederick and Maria were married Sept 9, 1899 Cambridge England.

There is a death for Horace Finch b. England who died at Christie St. Toronto August 21, 1908 at 15 months from Cholera Infantum.  This is probably Horace Leonard b. Sep 1907 Cambridge 3b 419 and their son born in 1910 was also given Leonard as a name.  His birth is not protected under privacy laws but would have to be accessed via microfilm as ancestry only carries Ontario births up until 1909.

Maria Finch d/o Charles Ostler d. Feb 19, 1928 at Toronto aged 47 years.  Had been in Canada 20 years.  born England.  Frederick C. Finch informant living at  244 Earlscourt Avenue Toronto.  Died of septicemia, cardiac failure preceeded by operation for varicose veins.

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Re: Ethel Hemson or Ethel Dezombre?
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 06 April 10 18:51 BST (UK) »
Sorry to enter late...back to the marriage cert image... Is it perhaps Geophel ?  ( although last letter looks more like an "f") Also could be Geo "Phis" as this is a common French name...
I am pretty sure the occupation says lawmaker, though...J.J.

F.Y.I there were some entries on the IGI back to 17th century for De Zombre, De Sombre and the joint versions of the surnames in Kent & french huguenot area of London ( other versions of the name Dezomnber, Desombre, de Sombere)
 
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Re: Ethel Hemson or Ethel Dezombre?
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 06 April 10 19:45 BST (UK) »
Many thanks for the latest info from you all. i think the links/1911 census are really good, the idea of a split view is very helpful.

J.J Lacemaker --doh  :-[

Lawmaker sounds pretty impressive--if indeed that is what it reads then i have to find out what that is about..

I had promised myself a full day of housework tomorrow, but then in the light of all the stuff i can follow up here---perhaps not ;D
Behling---- London
Bridges---- London
Copperwheat----Bedfordshire---Norfolk
Denton----Bedfordshire
Edwards----Wales
Evans----N.Wales
Farrow----Norfolk
Hughes----N.Wales
Jones----Wales---Bedfordshire
Lambert----London
Larmouth/uth----London
Ostler----Norfolk
Sherwood----Bedfordshire
Silver----Bedfordshire---Suffolk
Smart----Leicestershire---Middx
Teagle----Buckinghamshire---Wales
Totterdell----Hampshire---London---Stoke-On-Trent
Woods----London

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Re: Ethel Hemson or Ethel Dezombre?
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 06 April 10 20:02 BST (UK) »
My interpretation for occupation for Charles' father is lacemaker.  Although you usually think of it as a female/child labour cottage industry it did become mechanized
http://www.bbc.co.uk/legacies/work/england/nottingham/article_2.shtml

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Re: Ethel Hemson or Ethel Dezombre?
« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 06 April 10 21:44 BST (UK) »
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/passenger/index-e.html
You can search the above site (by name of ship) to find Leonard Ostler 33 and wife Jane 24 and daughter Thelma 1 1/2 yrs arriving in Canada 29 Nov 1915 on the Corsican sailing from Liverpool to Saint John NB.  The record indicates that Leonard had arrived in Canada 1910.

There is a sailing into the UK on the Corsican arriving Liverpool from Montreal 31 Aug 1915 with Jane Ostler 23, Thelma infant and Samuel(?) Ostler 33, painter.

http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/index-e.html
Leonard signed up for service in the CEF as did his brother Herbert Arthur and Herbert's sons Herbert Daniel, Robert Thomas and Frederick Victor.

http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/s/m/i/Bridget-A-Smith/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0016.html
This site follows the family forward in time.  They have Leonard's wife dying in 1988 but if you look on the BC vital statistics site they have it listed as 1 Jan 1986 at Victoria.

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Re: Ethel Hemson or Ethel Dezombre?
« Reply #25 on: Tuesday 06 April 10 21:53 BST (UK) »
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e144/e003578269.jpg
Herbert Ostler (38) and wife Caroline(33) arrived on the Ausonia 26 May 1912 which sailed from Southampton to Quebec.
Children Herbert (16), Frank (13), Robert (11), ? Male (7) Most likely Frederick Victor, Ellen?(3), Edith 8/12 mos

Marriage record for Herbert Daniel, resident of 351 Bartlett Ave. Toronto, b. Norwich, 24, Baptist,clerk and
Alice Myrtle Jones, 19 on 23 March 1921 Toronto.  One witness was Florence Ames of 72 Ferries Ave. Toronto

Marriage record for Robert Thomas, 20, b. Norwich, electric appliance worker, resident 351 Bartlett Ave., Toronto, R.C.  and Theresa Howarth, 20 on 3 March 1921 Toronto.  Witness Edith E. Ames of Toronto.

http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~maryc/tor1925p18.htm
Fred V Ostler and an unreadable Ostler were witnesses to marriage of Harry Jarvis to Eleanor Boustead in 1925.

You can use http://pagesofthepast.ca/
to folllow the families in toronto

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Re: Ethel Hemson or Ethel Dezombre?
« Reply #26 on: Tuesday 06 April 10 22:01 BST (UK) »
Online ancestry trees have the following information for Herbert Arthur Ostler.
B. 14 Feb 1875 Norwich
M. 21 June 1896 Norwich to Caroline Elizabeth Baldwin who died 17 Aug 1956 Toronto
M. 22 Oct 1966 Toronto to Florence Allard b. 1888 and d. 16 Aug 1984 Toronto
D. 5 Feb 1973 toronto

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