ORCHARD/PENFOLD

[robwen]

Wm ORCHARD born c 1854 son of Joseph ORCHARD (licensed hawker) & Susan SCARROTT at Lyme Regis, Dorset  (licensed hawker) married
Priscilla PENFOLD born c 1857 Wandsworth, Surrey or Lewes Sussex in 1874 at St Thomas. She was the daughter of James PENFOLD (hawker) and Caroline SMITH.

Known children of Wm & Priscilla
Priscilla c 1877 Exeter, Sophia c1880 Totnes, Betsy c 1886 Plymouth, Carrie c1888 Exeter and Frances *c 1892, Exeter.

None of the children are registered but Defiance ORCHARD dau of Wm & Priscilla) married Frederick James Way in 1910 in Newton Abbot.

Can't find Defiance on the 1901 Census; but there is Frances in the family and the right age. Would Defiance have been known as Frances &/or Defiance?

Pleased to hear of any suggestions or connections.

Robwen

[NEILKE]

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[CitizenSmith]

Hi Robwen

I've often seen the name Defiance abbreviated to Fiance - and you can imagine a census enumerator mis-hearing that and recording it as Frances. Alternatively, Fiance herself might have adopted that name when dealing with officialdom.

Best wishes
Sharon

[robwen]

Many thanks for that Sharon. I hadn't heard of Fiance before. As Defiance you would have expected her to be a fiery lady.
Regards......Wendy

[CitizenSmith]

Hi Wendy

You sometimes find Gypsies giving their children names that they simply like the sound of, no matter what their meaning.

I've heard (though I've not seen the hard evidence) that one child in the 19th century ended up with the name 'Scarlatina' (in other words, Scarlet Fever) on this basis and another with 'Aluminium'.  I've also got a couple of Leviathans (girls) in the family I'm researching, perhaps because their parents didn't realise that this was a Biblical sea-monster. 

Best wishes
Sharon

[Ellalaine]

Hi Robwen,

I have recently seen Defiance  (my 3x GGM) bound for the USA in the 1850s, written as Fanny.  She was married to Robert Penfold. They travelled around the West Country.

Got loads of family research. Let me know if I can help out with any other stuff,

Best Wishes,

Ellalaine 

[robwen]

Thanks Ellalaine
So maybe Defiance could have been Frances? Or Fanny? Or Fiance?
They didn't make it easy for us did they
Regards......Wendy

[tiggi]

Hi Robwen,

I have recently seen Defiance  (my 3x GGM) bound for the USA in the 1850s, written as Fanny.  She was married to Robert Penfold. They travelled around the West Country.

Got loads of family research. Let me know if I can help out with any other stuff,

Best Wishes,

Ellalaine 

Hi I am interested in what you may have Ellalanie regards this family as I am asol linked to Defiance Smith wife of Robert Penfold -via Smiths side