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when was Abraham Paul Born *COMPLETED*
« on: Sunday 11 April 10 09:34 BST (UK) »
I have a record that Abraham Paul married Ethel May Shepherd in 1915. I can not find his birth in NZ. He may have had the surname Pora as that was later used on Ethels  certificate from her second marriage and she was listed as a widow. That was in 1924 but in England as she had travelled back there presumable after the death of her husband.
It could be that Abraham Paul is an englishised version of a maori name. Any help appreciated.
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Re: when was Abraham Paul Born
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 11 April 10 10:38 BST (UK) »
Hi eevee

I think the maori version of his name Abraham Paul would be Aperahama Paora,Pora may be Cook Island maori

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Re: when was Abraham Paul Born
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 11 April 10 10:43 BST (UK) »
They married on 15/07/1915


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« Reply #3 on: Sunday 11 April 10 17:44 BST (UK) »
Maori registrations were not required at this time so hence why you may not find a rego

What area did he live/they marry
What was his age at death, to eliminate some names..also to give you family info

There is an Abraham Paul 21/5/1894 from school records northern wairoa area
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« Reply #4 on: Monday 12 April 10 09:51 BST (UK) »
Unsure of anything apart from his name on the wedding certificate. I didnt realise that maori registrations were not required. Thanks for the translation Janette. I will look at Paora as a start.
Boylan,Budd,Hartill,Dibble,Buchanan, Abbot,Harper
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Re: when was Abraham Paul Born
« Reply #5 on: Monday 12 April 10 19:53 BST (UK) »
Hi eevee

I think you may well be able to obtain information for Abraham, at the following site which specialises in Maori genealogy.

http://whakapapa.maori.org.nz/

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« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 13 April 10 15:52 BST (UK) »
http://archway.archives.govt.nz/
 - shows an Abraham Paul was in WWI
Also there's a divorce, Abraham Paul vs. Ethel May Paul.

army records info - this gives an address for Ethel in 1917, Abraham's occupation (Sawmill hand), and shows that he was part of the Maori Contingent (22nd reinforcements)
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« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 13 April 10 17:32 BST (UK) »
Goodwork Jorose
Never thought of continuing this line, thinking he was deceased when ethel left nzBye
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« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 13 April 10 22:33 BST (UK) »

I have a record that Abraham Paul married Ethel May Shepherd in 1915. I can not find his birth in NZ. He may have had the surname Pora as that was later used on Ethels  certificate from her second marriage and she was listed as a widow. That was in 1924 but in England as she had travelled back there presumable after the death of her husband.

The divorce file was indeed a good find.  :)    It is though, dated 1925.  ???      And you say Ethel re-married as a widow in 1924 ?

(Well maybe there is nothing "untoward" - the decree absolute could well have been handed down in say, late 1924 ... and because the parties lived on opposite sides of the world, there may have been delays with correspondence which meant the file wasn't closed until 1925. ???)

There is just the one death of an "Abraham PAUL" showing in NZ (up to 1990) -- indicating a birth year of c. 1892.

1951 / 36523 - PAUL - Abraham - 59 years  (bc 1892)

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