Frati or Frate family on Philadelphia ship list

[DCS]

Hi,

Can someone please do some look ups for me please?  I can see the following on the Philadelphia Ship list but am unable to access it.

Elisabetta Frati
Rose Frati
Luisa Frati
Caterina Frati
Possibly Luz Frati
Or any other Fratis.

I'd love to know what it says about them.

Also, Paride Frati on the Boston Passenger Lists who should be Elisabetta's husband.

He is also on the World War 1 Registration Cards

Any help would be much appreciated.  Thanks.

Diana

[Erato]

23 July 1921, arrival in New York, SS San Giorgio, sailed from Naples

Speller Frati, Elisabetta, 36, housewife, can read, write and speak English, nationality Italian, last permanent residence Lucoa??, Italy,nearest relative in Italy – mother-in-law, Papera Frati, destination – Freeland, Pa

Luisa, 17, daughter
Caterina, 13, daughter
Rosina, 11, daughter
Margherita, 9, daughter

[DCS]

Thanks Erato, that's brilliant.  Elizabeth is actually English but they have put her down as Italian for some reason.  She is on the New York Passenger List and also the Philadelphia Passenger list.  Are these two different lists?

Also just found Paris (Paride) Frate (Frati) in the Chalmers Biographical Dictionary and also the Massachusetts City Directory and also the U S City Directories.  Can anyone find any of these for me please?

Regards

Diana

[Erato]

6 April 1921, arrival in Philadelphia, SS America, sailed from Genoa

Frati, Luisa, 16, housewife, single

Speller Frati, Elisabetta, 36, housewife, married, nationality -  Italian, race - Italian south, last permanent residence Lucca, Villa Roggio, nearest relative in Italy – mother-in-law, Barbera Frati, destination – Hazelton, Pa

Frati, Caterina, 12, daughter, housewife, single
Frati, Rosa, 10, daughter, scholar, single
Frati, Margherita, 8, daughter, scholar, single

[Erato]

20 February 1915, arrival Boston, SS Canopic, sailed from Genoa

Frati, Paride, 32, married, baker, can read and write, nationality - Italian, race – Italian south, last permanent residence – Lucca, Villa Roggio, Pescaglia, nearest relative in Italy – mother, Mrs. B. Frati, Lucca, Villa Roggio, Pescaglia, destination – Worcester, Mass.

[Erato]

Chalmers Biographical Dictionary – not your man

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WWI draft registration card.  Vey hard to read this document.  If you send me your email by PM, I’ll send you the image.

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1930 census, 823 Maine Street, district 55, Freeland, Luzerne County Pennsylvania

Frati, Paris, head, rented home $25, no radio, 52, first married at 26, b. Italy, parents b. Italy, immigrated 1914, naturalized, miner, coal mine, not a veteran

Elizabeth, wife, 45, first married at 20, b. England, parents b. England, immigrated 1921, naturalized, no occupation

Catherine, daughter, 20,  b. England, immigrated 1921, naturalized, weaver, silk mill
Rose, daughter, 18,  b. England, immigrated 1921, naturalized, seamstress, shirt factory
Margaret, daughter, 17, b. England, immigrated 1921, naturalized, filler, shirt factory
Anita, daughter, 6, b. Pennsylvania,

[DCS]

Hi Erato,

Thanks for all the information.  Not sure about Paride now as the date of birth is different.  My Paris Frate(i) was born 1878 it seems according to the census.  However, Lucca seems to fit as his wife and children travelled from there.   And Paris and Paride have been put together on various items so I assumed it was the same person.

1914 seems a long time for Paris to have travelled to the US leaving his family behind for so many years.  Still, perhaps they had to do that in order to get work.

I shall have to apply for the marriage certificate now of which I have the details as they married England.

Thanks again for your very kind help.

Regards

Diana

[DCS]

Hi Erato,

Me again.  I've just noticed your earlier reply which proves that Paris and Paride must be the same person as the mother is the same - Barbara (not Papera) Frati and the address is the same: Villa Roggio in Lucca.  Just a large discrepancy in Paris's age now!

You have been such a great help to me!

Kind regards

Diana

[Erato]

1920 census, 451 rear Centre St., district 56, ward 5, Freeland Boro, Luzerne County, Pennsylvania

Frati, Paradis [maybe Paradia], boarder in household of Amadeo Nocchi, 42, married, immigrated 1915, alien, b. Italy, parents b. Italy, laborer, coal mine