Julia Haggarty Cork, 1821

[RABGAB]

Hi everyone,

Am seeking any information on a Julia Haggarty or variation of that name, born 1821 (as best I can tell!) in Cork, Ireland.

This is what I know:

At some stage Julia married a Robert Bingham and their first child Catherine was born in 1848 in either Carrickfergus, Ireland or Andreas, Ireland (the handwriting is very poor on the census returns).

Robert was a coastguard who was born in Inverness, Scotland and they moved to Montrose, Scotland where they had a further three children: Susanna in 1850, Robert in 1852, and Margaret in 1854. The three children born in Scotland were all baptised in a Roman Catholic Church so I am assuming taht Julia herself was of this denomination.

Each census return shows Julia as born in Cork, Ireland. It appears that Julia remained in Montrose until her death at the age of 80 years. Unfortunately Julia was in an inmate of a home for the destitute and the informant was the head of this residence and has stated as unknown, the names of Julia's parents.

Any help appreciated,

Thanks

[shanew147]

Cork is a very large county with numerous RC and CofI parishes and I think you would require more details to find the correct Julia (if the details survive).. e.g. religion, place of birth (parish, town or townland), father's name..

Might be worth having a search for their marriage cert...

Some church records for north-east county Cork are available on the pay-website of the Irish Family History Foundation at www.irish-roots.ie , and some others (hopefully Cork City & west of the county) are due to be added to the free website at : http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/


Shane

[shanew147]

another possible line of enquiry for you ... do you have Robert's coastguard records ?

I am guessing it's possible that he was posted in Ireland and that's how he met up with Julia, and would also account for how their daughter Catherine was born here. If he was in the England/Ireland section of the Coastguard (I believe Scottlish CG was a separate organization) then his ADM175 records will show where he was posted and dates of his transfers between stations.

I have downloaded most of the Irish (plus many of the English) records for these and can have a search for his details if you wish..


Shane

[RABGAB]

Thaks Shane that would be great if you could have a look.

I found a small record of his Coast Guard service in Cromarty Rosshire but it only tells me his wife's name, Julia and the names of their children nothing further. My apologies but I do not know what an ADM175 is? This is his record" Bingham, Robert AYR 1817 Irvine 1861 Kinneff & Catterline KCD Wife: Julia, 1821, Cork, IRL. Children: Catherine, 1848, (Andreas), IRL; Susan & Robert & Margaret, 1851 & 1852 & 1855, Cromarty, ROC"


Robert Bingham has proved to be just as elusive in Scotland as Julia is in Ireland, however I have the following 1861 census record that shows: The 1861 Scottish census shows the family living at Catterline Village, Kincardineshire. The household consists of Robert (44) Head, Coastguard, born in Irvine, Ayrshire, Julia (40), born in Cork, Ireland, Catherine (13), Scholar, born in Andreas, Ireland, Susan (10), Scholar, born in Cromarty, Robert (9) Scholar, born in Cromarty and Margaret (6) Scholar born in Cromarty.


Robert is then drowned at sea 19 September 1875 aged 52 leaving his wife Julia in very poor circumstances I would think given the times.

Many thanks for your help, it is greatly appreciated!

[shanew147]

ADM175 is a series of records which cover details on Coastguards in England & Ireland - and I think also Wales. These are large books and are available in Kew (London) and to download from the National Archives. I will double check, but I fairly certain that they dont include postings in Scotland, as that was a separate service.

Andreas doesn't sound like a place name in Ireland to me - could that record for Catherine state Carrickfergus, Co. Antrim ?

Counties Antrim and Cork would both make sense for Coastguard postings as there would have been several station along the coast of these. I will have a look for any sign of Robert serving in Ireland in the ADM records over the next day or two..


Shane

[shanew147]

I had a look at the Alphabetical list of Coastguards posted in Ireland 1830 - 1849 (ADM 175/108) and unfortunately there are no Binghams listed.. which is a pity since if Robert had served in Ireland his postings could have given clues to Julia's place of birth (i.e. possibly near a coastguard station) and also linked up with his daughter's birthplace.

The division Coastguard headquarters for that part of the Antrim coast was based in Carrickfergus at the time which is why I thought that may be a clue.

Since they were RC the marriage is before civil registration started in Ireland so very difficult to find without knowing where they married. Have you checked Scottish records for the marriage ?

I dont know if it's possible to post extracts of the documents showing the difficult to read locations (Carrickfergus, Ireland or Andreas) - as I think narrowing down Catherine's place of birth would be a start at least..

edit: do Scottish birth certs not state the date and place of parents marriage - or was this just in later years ?


Shane

[RABGAB]

Hi Shane,

Thank you for looking for me. The Scottish certifcates do show the parents marriage but from 1857 onwards, just after their children were born. As such I have located that Catholic Parish Records, which only state the parents names, sponsors etc.

I am sure you are right about Andreas, maybe the enumerator had a bad day although the Coastguard record also states Andreas as the birthplace of Catherine. I tried to search for it on goole but could not find any mention.

I haven't been able to locate any birth recrod for Robert Bingham, they never have had him baptised I guess.

Thanks very much for your help with all of this!

[crimea1854]

Sorry, but I have come upon your request for help rather late in the day, however, I may be able to help.

I checked the English Index in ADM 175 and found two entries for Robert Bingham. The first was a transfer from the Revenue Cruiser (RC) Royal George to the RC Albatross (Nomination 1808), but this was crossed through. The next entry was entry to the CG Service from the RC Albatross to Cromerty CGS (Nomination 2399).

In terms of your family history, this ties in nicely because the RC Albatross was stationed at Carrickfergus in the 1840's.

I have not checked the National Archives Catalogue, but I suspect that the muster roll of Albatross are in the ADM 119 series of documents. If they are you could then trace his career back.

Martin
(Coastguards of Yesteryear)

[shanew147]

thanks Martin...


Shane  (g.g.g.grandson of Samuel Hodges CG)