McMinn's in BORGUE/

[Daisy Loo]

Hi there

Never though I would make it to the Scottish boards with my Alexander McMinn.  However, with the help of fabulous RC'ers (Monica, Heywood, Andy, JAP, Gadget to name a few!), I finally have.

Just to give a bit of background, and to avoid finding what I already have -

Alexander McMINN b. 1807 (Nr Kirkudbright, and father Alexander McMINN, Mason) d.1878, Woolwich
his parents: (Confirmed by MI) Alexander McMINN b.1786 and Mary MILROY b.1873 (I have found Mary Milroy's baptism, and her brothers & sisters, her parents are Peter MILROY & Janet MUIR)

I can't find a marriage for Alexander McMINN and Mary MILROY, c.1806 (I searched 5 years either side), and also haven't found a baptism for Alexander McMinn b.1807, or his father, Alexander McMINN b.1786

(Hit Post instead of review)

An Ancestry tree has Alexander b.1786 with parents Alexander McMINN & Margaret SPROAT, but they appear to have been married in BORGUE, whereas on the 1851 census, Alexander (b.1786) is down as having been born in TWYNHOLM...and I can't see how they have been proven to be the parents.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  I have credits at SP, so am more than happy to look things up myself, just have very little experience with Scottish records etc, and would like someone to hold my hand!! 

[MonicaL]

Hi Marty

Fantastic to see the McMinns at home on the Kirkcudbrightshire Board where they belong 

Just taking some info from the other post which is relevant now to this new thread on Alexander b. 1807's likely ancestors. This is from post #147  , amended here:


We have a few Kirkcudbrightshire McMINN Masons including an Alexander McMINN, a Mason b ca 1786, who could possibly be the father of "our" Alexander.

So it seems that there might be a line of McMINN masons.

*1851 census John McMINN, a Mason in Borgue, 74 (b ca 1777 in Twynholm), with wife Irvine

*1851 census - Alexander McMIN, a Mason in Borgue, 65 (b ca 1786 in Twynholm), with wife Mary (Andy found him in 1841 as MILLIN, rounded down age of 50).

* We found an 1869 death - Mary MCMINN, age 83 (b ca 1786), with parents Alexander MCMINN & --- SPROAT.

*James McMINN, an Ag Lab, wife Elizabeth, parents Alexander McMINN & Margaret SPROAT, age 65 (b ca 1791), died in Borgue in 1858 (He's transcribed as McMEN in 1841).

*There's also - William McMEN, rounded down age 50, a Mason in Borgue in 1841. He turns up as William McMIN, age 60 (b ca 1791 in Twynholm), a Mason in Borgue in 1851. William's wife is Margaret, and one of their sons - Samuel 19 - is also a Mason.


To recap on possible family group:

Alexander McMinn married Margaret Sproat in 1775 Borgue. Possible move to Twyneholm following their marriage and some of their children:

1. John, a mason, born c. 1777 - showing as born in Twynholm and living in Borgue in 1851...died?
2. Alexander, a mason, born c. 1786 - showing as born in Twynholm and living in Borgue in 1851..likely father to Alexander b. 1807...died 1852, you have MI.
3. Mary born c. 1786, didn't marry - showing as born in Twynholm and living in Borgue in 1851/61. Died 1869, parents Alexander and Margaret (Sproat).
4. James born c. 1791, a labourer - showing as born in Borgue and living in Borgue in 1851. Died 1858, parents Alexander and Margaret (Sproat).
5. William born c. 1791, a mason - showing as born in Twynholm and living in Borgue in 1851...died?


There are 3 christenings showing on IGI in Twynholm - a girls' only batch C118834. Also, only father's name:

1. JEAN MCMIN  Christening: 27 DEC 1791 Twynholm
2. AGNESS MCMIN Christening: JAN 1782 Twynholm
3. NICKLOWS MCMIN Christening: 27 DEC 1791 Twynholm

There might be a couple more entries on SP, in Twynholm for the boys. Try leaving out mother's name and just searching with father, Alexander's name. It would be great also to try and get an occupation for potential Grandad Alexander which might connect to the mason McMinn men we have found.

Monica 

[Daisy Loo]

Monica, I feel like I am missing something here...(thanks for copying the stuff from old thread)

How have you confirmed that the above ARE children of Alexander mcMinn & Margaret Sproat?

[MonicaL]

Sorry Marty, I've slipped back into McMinn head mode  Mary and James (no.3 and 4) certainly were  I just sent you an email as I had their details from SP from early last year!

Monica

[Daisy Loo]

Yes,  gratefully receieved thanks! 

Okay, (although I have GREAT faith in your white witch hat) we haven't yet got a confirmed link that they are siblings of Alexander (b.1786)?  Just to get it clear in my head.

[MonicaL]

No verified link unfortunately as yet  With Alexander b. 1786 having died in 1852 might be hard to get to that. It is all guesswork at this stage and building up theories and supporting info.

From the site you already have, this includes details to let you verify parents for John born c. 1771 (no.1 in the list above):

Inscription 146
Erected by John McMinn, in memory of Irvine Conning, his spouse, who died in Chapelton Village, 8th Dec 1851, aged 68 years. Also John McMinn, their son, who died 19 April 1827, aged 13 years. Also the above John McMinn, who died 1st Jan’y 1864, aged 87 years. Also Marion their daughter, who died at Viewfield, 19th Jan 1884, aged 75 years. Also Margaret their daughter, who died at Gordon Villas, Kirkcudbright, 2nd July 1894, aged 81 years. Also Elizabeth, their daughter, who died at High St, Kirkcudbright, 8th July 1897, aged 79 years.

www.kirkyards.co.uk/borgue/borgue.asp?offset=140

[Daisy Loo]

For reference, and to avoid duplicate lookups

McMinn Marriages in BORGUE

Mary McMINN & Andrew Breggat - 01.08.1758
Alexander McMINN & Margaret SPROAT - 20.07.1775
John McMINN & Janet MEAN - 20.06.1776
Janet McMINN & William PAIN - 27.04.1780
James McMINN & Elizabeth PAPPLE - 29.05.1824
William McMINN & Grace CLARK- 08.06.1832
Margaret McMINN & Adam SCOTT - 10.01.1841
William McMINN & Barbara LINDSAY - 25.05.1851

[Gadget]

Hi again 

Just to say that the MI to Irving Colling, etc. is listed as next to the one for Alexander mcMinn (d. 15 Aug 1852)

- not sure where 143-145 have come from as they're not in the original transcriptions 



Gadget

added - just looked at the plan and 142 and 146 are pretty close together physically . 143-145 are further along the row

[Daisy Loo]

Hi Gadget..

I feel like I'm going round and round....I have checked every baptism, marriage and burial (on SP) for McMINN, in Borgue & Twynholm (I have noted them down, should I post them here?) and don't feel any closer,

The naming tradition so far, is that the eldest son appears to follow the same name as his father, but if Alexander, b.1786 was the son of Alexander & Margaret (Sproat), it doesn't appear that he would have been their firstborn.  They married in 1775, and it looks like their first son was possibly John, b.1777?