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Haggart from Roscommon
« on: Saturday 26 March 05 05:54 GMT (UK) »
Can anyone point me in the right direction to finding out more about my 2nd gt Grandma?  ???
Her name was CATHERINE HAGGART, she was born in Roscommon 1835 he Dad was Patrick & he was a weaver.
She married HUGH GALLAGHER (a labourer) in 1854 in Birmingham.
They lived in Brum the rest of their lives, bringing up at least 8 children. Catherine died in 1900.
A family story says that she ran away to England to escape an arranged marriage to a wealthy but elderly horse dealer. The story also has Hugh as a Doctor, I've disproved this one, he only made his mark on the wedding certificate & worked as a labourer all his life!
Any help would be welcome
Barbara  ;D
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Gallaghers from Roscommon
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 30 June 05 16:20 BST (UK) »
Hi

I lately found that my Grandma Collins was born Nora Cox and her Mum was Mary Gallagher born c 1857 in Brum. Could she be a sister to Hugh?

I hve lately taught at least 6 of the Brum Gallaghers so I was fascinated to find there might be a connection.

Roscommon stands in my Grandpa Colins (aka Collerin) family history too! They were all memebers of St Annes on Alcester Street.

Colin
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Re: Haggart from Roscommon
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 30 June 05 21:32 BST (UK) »
Here you are. Only Haggart in the county in 1850  (1848- 54). PATRICK HAGGARD,   CLOONLEE village,  CIVIL PARISH of KILTULLAGH. I believe this parish is on the Galway/Roscommon/Mayo border in the Ballymoe/ Ballinlough area. There are a few Gallaghers, various spellings in this large parish, including 1 spelled " GAU....." in Cloonlee. The name HAGGARD has vanished by 1901, but may be still there as HEGARTY or Hagerty.

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Re: Haggart from Roscommon
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 03 July 05 10:19 BST (UK) »
Hi Colin,
I tried to reply to you off list but my message disappeared! ???
Anyway, there were 2 Mary Gallaghers on the 1881 census one is Hugh & Catherine's daughter Mary Ann born in 1856 in Brum & the other is Mary daughter of David & Mary Gallagher. She was born in 1857.
It would be lovely if she was Hugh's daughter!
They probably went to the same Church, St Annes.
Hugh Gallagher came from Leitrim, a neighbouring county.
I had a laugh when you said you had taught some modern day Gallaghers, I hope for your sake they weren't as feisty & wild as my mob apparently were!
The two boys especially, Francis & Hubert, were by all accounts "Hard drinking & fighting men, typical Irish"!!
                               ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
   Dwelling:   Ct 47/8 Irving St
   Census Place:   Birmingham, Warwick, England
   Source:   FHL Film 1341712     PRO Ref RG11    Piece 2975    Folio 47    Page 46
   Marr   Age   Sex   Birthplace
David GALLAGHER   M   50    M   Cork, Ireland
   Rel:   Head
   Occ:   Labourer Coal
Mary GALLAGHER   M   50    F   Kildare, Ireland
   Rel:   Wife
Mary GALLAGHER   U   24    F   Birmm, Warwick, England
   Rel:   Daur
   Occ:   Warehouse Girl Gilder And Plater
                              ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

   Dwelling:   21 Green Street
   Census Place:   Aston, Warwick, England
   Source:   FHL Film 1341720     PRO Ref RG11    Piece 3012    Folio 119    Page 3
   Marr   Age   Sex   Birthplace
Catherine GALLAGHER   W   46    F   Rosscommon, Ireland
   Rel:   Head
   Occ:   No Trade
Mary Ann GALLAGHER   U   25    F   Birmingham, Warwick, England
   Rel:   Dau
   Occ:   Umbrella Maker
Sarah GALLAGHER   U   23    F   Birmingham, Warwick, England
   Rel:   Dau
   Occ:   Umbrella Maker
Catherine GALLAGHER   U   20    F   Birmingham, Warwick, England
   Rel:   Dau
   Occ:   Umbrella Maker
Hubert GALLAGHER   U   18    M   Birmingham, Warwick, England
   Rel:   Son
   Occ:   Brass Caster
Elizabeth GALLAGHER   U   17    F   Birmingham, Warwick, England
   Rel:   Dau
   Occ:   Umbrella Maker
Francis GALLAGHER   U   15    M   Birmingham, Warwick, England
   Rel:   Son
   Occ:   Nail Caster
Margarett GALLAGHER   U   13    F   Birmingham, Warwick, England
   Rel:   Dau
   Occ:   Scholar
                           ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Best wishes
Barbara  :D
Rosethorne or similar spelling anywhere anytime!
Ovington, Taylor, Wilkin, Summers, Stones, Charlton in Durham
Wilkinson in Penrith Cumberland
Turner, Jones, Gallagher in Aston Birmingham
Shipp & Fellows in Birmingham
Elwell & Caddick in Tipton Staffs.
Allen in Shenington Oxfordshire
Batchelor in Kenilworth Warks
Hubbard in Rowington Warks

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Re: Haggart from Roscommon
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 03 July 05 10:26 BST (UK) »
Hi Ros,
Thank you for your message, I tried replying off list but again it disappeared! ???
Hopefully you'll get to see this. ;)
I'm really grateful for the info on Patrick Haggard, it looks as if he's mine, it gives me something more to go on.
What was the record from, a census or a parish record? 
This is such a great site with lovely people posting!
Take care
Barbara :D
Rosethorne or similar spelling anywhere anytime!
Ovington, Taylor, Wilkin, Summers, Stones, Charlton in Durham
Wilkinson in Penrith Cumberland
Turner, Jones, Gallagher in Aston Birmingham
Shipp & Fellows in Birmingham
Elwell & Caddick in Tipton Staffs.
Allen in Shenington Oxfordshire
Batchelor in Kenilworth Warks
Hubbard in Rowington Warks

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Re: Haggart from Roscommon
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 03 July 05 22:17 BST (UK) »
I tried to reply to your personal message, but I don't know if it travelled. Cloonlee is half a km. south of the town/village of Ballinlough. That is about 600 yards, but the map seems old, so it is probably part of the town now.  The RC parish is also named Kiltullagh and the parish church is in Ballinlough. In the late 1700s- early 1800s, many landlords imported weavers from the north of the country to start cottage industries, so this  may be the origin of the Haggart name in the area. There are  less than 10 Scottish surnames long established in Roscommon/Galway border parishes in the 20 miles s. of Ballinlough. Otherwise, some official from Scotland gave  local surnames a new spelling.

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Brum Gallaghers
« Reply #6 on: Monday 04 July 05 08:26 BST (UK) »
It looks to me as if my Mary Gallagher is Hugh and Ruths Mary Ann. The name and  age fits, the location fits too. I will contact my former pupils who are variously Martin, David and Christian G and ask if any of their Dads are in to the Family History.

Colin
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PENTLAND in Warks/Staffs/Yorks, Arm IRL: Chch NZ post 1884 and SCO pre 1800.
COLLINS aka COLLERIN , GALLAGHER & COX [RC] Highgate, Small Heath, Birmingham 1840-, Mayo IRL bef.
FRYER/FRIAR Lurgan Armagh, Edin & Glasgow SCO
BROOKES WH & WFP RA WW1 & 2
NEWSON & 'WATTS' Felixstow SFK, NZ,
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PARKER, Charles, 1800-1853 Milit.Ornament Manuf. Aston, Gravelly Hill, Birmingham,

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Re: Haggart from Roscommon
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 05 July 05 00:01 BST (UK) »
Hi Ros,
Thank you again for your messages, I'm having trouble sending personal messages to people at the moment, don't know what I'm doing wrong!
You've given me a lot to think about!
I was very interested in what you say about the Quack Doctors. they would rely on knowledge handed down rather than book learning wouldn't they?
I expect many people would eye these people with a certain suspicion too.
More intrigue, was Hugh running away from some malpractice accusations?

As to Alexander Haggart, I was in touch with his gr.. grandson a while back but sadly we came to no conclusions or connections. This chap, also Alex confirmed his Haggarts came from Scotland & that there were no Haggarts left in Roscommon now.
Thanks again for your help.
Barbara :D
Rosethorne or similar spelling anywhere anytime!
Ovington, Taylor, Wilkin, Summers, Stones, Charlton in Durham
Wilkinson in Penrith Cumberland
Turner, Jones, Gallagher in Aston Birmingham
Shipp & Fellows in Birmingham
Elwell & Caddick in Tipton Staffs.
Allen in Shenington Oxfordshire
Batchelor in Kenilworth Warks
Hubbard in Rowington Warks

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Re: Haggart from Roscommon
« Reply #8 on: Friday 02 December 05 02:42 GMT (UK) »
My father was James Haggart from Roscommon. (b. 1890) His father was Alexander Haggart (b.1856) who had come from New Scone, Scotland, and HIS father (also Alexander) was a weaver.  When I was in Roscommon (about 1994) my cousin Patrick Haggard was still living there, as are other descendants of Alexander Haggart.  Am curious about who would have been the grandson of Alexander Haggart that you heard from.
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