Author Topic: NSW Lookup please. Death Cert of Elizabeth RILAT  (Read 5117 times)

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NSW Lookup please. Death Cert of Elizabeth RILAT
« on: Saturday 08 May 10 08:48 BST (UK) »
Originally Elizabeth Hammond born 1844 Caston Norfolk, England. She came to Australia on the ship the Lady McDonald on 15 October 1856 with Henry Hammond and Mary Ann Cauley who were married on the 18th July 1851.
I never thought anything of it till I did a lookup on the NSW historic BDM #14878 of her death and it has the mother as Rebecca?? Maybe there is more info there ?

Elizabeth had an illegitimate daughter Ada  2 Mar 1862 (shame we don't know the father).

She then married Jacob Jeffries (who is also a bit of a mystery) b. 1839 in England he died 1867
She then married John Andrews in 1869 b. 1834 in England died in 1875
She then married George Rilat in 1877 b. 1846 died 1915

Elizabeth Died in Bombala in 1928.

Thanks heaps thats all the info I have.
 
Fontaine (Pierre Francois) - Geneve Switzerland
Magnin (Marian or Jeanne) - Geneve Switzerland
Halliwell (James) - Bolton Lancashire. No record after WW1.
King (Edith Lillian) - Simla India

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Re: NSW Lookup please. Death Cert of Elizabeth Rilat
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 08 May 10 09:11 BST (UK) »
For anyone else searching this surname should read RILATT.  Judith
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Re: NSW Lookup please. Death Cert of Elizabeth Rilat
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 08 May 10 09:59 BST (UK) »
 ??? No wonder I couldn't find it ::)

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Re: NSW Lookup please. Death Cert of Elizabeth Rilat
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 08 May 10 10:10 BST (UK) »
oops yes your right Im so sorry :(
I should also say all these marriages were in New South Wales. :)
Fontaine (Pierre Francois) - Geneve Switzerland
Magnin (Marian or Jeanne) - Geneve Switzerland
Halliwell (James) - Bolton Lancashire. No record after WW1.
King (Edith Lillian) - Simla India


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Re: NSW Lookup please. Death Cert of Elizabeth Rilat
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 08 May 10 15:11 BST (UK) »


You would need to see the death cert. to get anything more than what is on the index. I cannot see any children born of these three marriages, and her husband had died before her. So unless daughter Ada is alive, and the informant, I wonder if there is much on the certificate - provision for years in the colony, place of birth, details of children - but only as much as the informant would know.

Is Henry Hammond her brother - I cannot see the marriage in 1851.
Children born to Henry Hammond and Mary A -
Rebecca A A 1858 and Isaac C 1860, both at Parramatta.
 
Also, Sarah E JEFFRIESS d. 1923 Randwick, parents Jacob and Mary
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Re: NSW Lookup please. Death Cert of Elizabeth Rilat
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 08 May 10 15:24 BST (UK) »
thanks its all good I may have to buy the cert. :)

ps. I think Henry was her Father.
Fontaine (Pierre Francois) - Geneve Switzerland
Magnin (Marian or Jeanne) - Geneve Switzerland
Halliwell (James) - Bolton Lancashire. No record after WW1.
King (Edith Lillian) - Simla India

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Re: NSW Lookup please. Death Cert of Elizabeth Rilat
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 08 May 10 16:35 BST (UK) »
Just one other thing is there anywhere is NSW where you can look up divorces?
Fontaine (Pierre Francois) - Geneve Switzerland
Magnin (Marian or Jeanne) - Geneve Switzerland
Halliwell (James) - Bolton Lancashire. No record after WW1.
King (Edith Lillian) - Simla India

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Re: NSW Lookup please. Death Cert of Elizabeth RILAT
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 09 May 10 09:23 BST (UK) »
You may have all this already:

I assume this is them on the Lady McDonald, arrived 29 October 1856:

Henry HAMMOND, 27, wheelwright, Native place: Norfolk, father's name: Henry, can read and write,
Mary A, 31, parents John and Sarah Cauley, can read and write a little
Elizabeth 12
Harry 4
 
And this looks like the marriage of Henry and Mary Anne (from Free BMD)
Sep qr 1851, marriage reg at Wayland
HAMMOND  Henry  = CORLEY  Mary Anne

And Elizabeth's birth reg
Jun qr 1843 reg at Wayland  13 371
CAWLEY  Elizabeth   

1851 census shows Henry 22 as a journeyman wheel wright, lodger with Samuel and Sophia Peake, Caston

Also 1851 -  I think this is your Elizabeth, living at Northacre, Caston - all born Caston except those shown
James Corley 50 ag lab b Stow, Norfolk
Sarah Corley 51 wife b Bury, Suffolk
Anne Corley 24 daughter at home
Robt Corley 20 son ag lab
Hannah Corley 84 mother
Elizabeth Corley 8 grandaughter

There are a couple of Mary Ann CORLEY/CAWLEYs in 1851 shown as servants - I had them earlier but can't find them again ???

So Elizabeth is possibly a step-child for Henry, given her birth registation and the age of Henry at the date of her birth?

There are all kinds of reasons why her mother is named as "Rebecca" on her death cert, remembering that the record is only as accurate as the knowledge of the informant.  She was a good age when she died so, as Wivenhoe hs already said, perhaps the person who gave the info got it wrong.

Looks like a death cert is the way to go.  You are probably aware that it's cheaper and quicker to get a transcription rather than ordering direct.

Cheers, Judith

   
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