Connah's Quay - Roberts / Edwards / Parry

[Jo Harding]

Hello sheabear,

The service papers of people who were in the First World War are being put on Ancestry. There are often many pages and reading these can help to establish whether it is the person you are seeking. In the case of a common name, like Roberts is in Wales, it is always more difficult to say for sure.

The way to access these is to enter the name, place of birth and year of birth in the search boxes. This should produce various "hits" including British Army WW1 Service Records 1914-1920, UK Soldiers who dies in the Great War 1914-1919, British Army Pension Records.

In the case of William Roberts, there is one entry for a William Roberts with an address in Bagillt. There are 14 pages of records online. It shows he is a Master Butcher and married to Lavinia, living at New Bee Hive, Bagillt, Flint.

In the case of Thomas Roberts, he is shown as living at Old Yard, Bagillt, Flint and a miner. The age is about right with your relation. Next of kin shown as Maggie Roberts of Old Yard, Bagillt.

Let me know if I can be of further help.

Do you want to find any more of these in the census returns?

Jo

[hanes teulu]

shea,
George Edwards b.1875 Hawarden

1901 Census
George Edwards, Head, M, 37, Joiner, b. Hawarden
Elizabeth Edwards, Wife, M, 28, b. Northop
Bessie Edwards, Dau, 4mths, b. Hawarden

Address - 1 Ryelands Terr, Hawarden (Flint), Shotton (Census Ref RG13  3377  40  14)

1881 Census
Samuel Edwards, Head, Widower, 60, Farmer of 24 Acres
Edward T Edwards, Nephew, S, 19, Joiner
George Edwards, Nephew, 7
William Edwards, Nephew, S, 23, Engine Fitter at Works
Samuel Edwards, Nephew, 15, Clerk
Elizabeth Edwards, Niece, S, 25
Susannah Edwards, Niece, S, 21
All born Hawarden, Flintshire
Address  - Machine Cottage, Saltney (Flint) (Census Ref RG11  3564  80  14)

Quite an unusual structure to the 1881 Household!

Might the above be your George Edwards?

regards

[hanes teulu]

Shea,
Have found this "possible" George Edwards on the 1891 Census - the place of birth is a bit puzzling.

William Povall, Head, M, 29, General Labourer, b. Padeswood
Elizabeth Povall, Wife, M, 35, b. Queensferry
George Edwards, Son, 16, General Labourer, b. Chemistry/Clemistry?
Harry J Povall, Son, 7, b. Queens Ferry
Annie Povall, Dau, 6, b. Queens Ferry
Horace E Povall, Son, b. Queensferry
Address - Queen's Ferry, Saltney Moor (Census Ref RG12  2869  67  7)

The marriage of William Henry Povall was registered Jun 1883 Chester 8a 579. On the same page is an Elizabeth Edwards.

If only the place of birth was more helpful. Queens Ferry is a few miles North of Hawarden

regards

[Megran]

There is a Chemistry Lane, Pentre near Queensferry.
HTH,
Regards,
Megran.

[hanes teulu]

megran,

A good spot and another possible piece in the puzzle.

The site I use has transcribed as "Clemistry" but no doubt it's "Chemistry".

regards



 

[Paul]

Hello.
marriage July 11 1898. St Deiniol, Hawarden.
George Edwards. 24. bachelor. Occ, Joiner. abode, Aston. father, William. Occ, Labourer. Deceased.
Elizabeth Alice Parry. 27. spinster. abode, Shotton. father, John.Occ, Labourer.
Witnesses. Catherine Walsh. Maggie Parry. William John Hughes & William Hughes.

Baptism registers give the following info.
When baptised. Childs Christian Name. Parents Christian & Surname. Abode. Fathers Occupation. By whom the ceremony was performed.
If you're lucky the Vicar/curate who performed the ceremony might add the date of birth & if you're very lucky mothers maiden name.

Baptisms for the children of John & Elizabeth Parry. Connah's Quay. Labourer.

Born, April 15. Baptised, May 21 1871. Elizabeth Alice.
Born, March 20. Baptised, April 6 1873. John Hughes.
Baptised, Jan 17 1875. Benjamin Thomas.
Baptised, June 3 1877. Rachel Ann. ...........Died 1881
Oct 26 1879. Fred Kent.
Oct 1 1882. Robert.
Nov 11 1885 George Henry.

Are you sure Benjamin Roberts was born Bagillt? On his marriage to Fanny Foster in 1920 his age is 21(b 1899)& abode Wepre Drive (Connah's Quay)

On the 1901 census there is a Benjamin Roberts 7 mths with a father Edward & two older brothers, Henry J. 9. & Thomas E. 5. born Northop

Just a thought .

Paul.

[sheabear]

Shea,
Have found this "possible" George Edwards on the 1891 Census - the place of birth is a bit puzzling.

William Povall, Head, M, 29, General Labourer, b. Padeswood
Elizabeth Povall, Wife, M, 35, b. Queensferry
George Edwards, Son, 16, General Labourer, b. Chemistry/Clemistry?
Harry J Povall, Son, 7, b. Queens Ferry
Annie Povall, Dau, 6, b. Queens Ferry
Horace E Povall, Son, b. Queensferry
Address - Queen's Ferry, Saltney Moor (Census Ref RG12  2869  67  7)

The marriage of William Henry Povall was registered Jun 1883 Chester 8a 579. On the same page is an Elizabeth Edwards.

If only the place of birth was more helpful. Queens Ferry is a few miles North of Hawarden

regards

Hi Hanes Teulu,
Unfortunatly I don't know much about George Edwards. I am a little confused at the above record, why was his fathers last name Povall? I lean more towards this record than the others you suggested because on George Edwards's daughter Fanny Foster Edwards's marriage certificate it has George Edwards as her father (joiner) and then a "William Henry Povall" as one of the witnesses? I didn't have a link to any Povall's so I just dismissed it. Do you think this could be his family?

Thanks very much for help. 

[sheabear]

Hello.
marriage July 11 1898. St Deiniol, Hawarden.
George Edwards. 24. bachelor. Occ, Joiner. abode, Aston. father, William. Occ, Labourer. Deceased.
Elizabeth Alice Parry. 27. spinster. abode, Shotton. father, John.Occ, Labourer.
Witnesses. Catherine Walsh. Maggie Parry. William John Hughes & William Hughes.

Baptism registers give the following info.
When baptised. Childs Christian Name. Parents Christian & Surname. Abode. Fathers Occupation. By whom the ceremony was performed.
If you're lucky the Vicar/curate who performed the ceremony might add the date of birth & if you're very lucky mothers maiden name.

Baptisms for the children of John & Elizabeth Parry. Connah's Quay. Labourer.

Born, April 15. Baptised, May 21 1871. Elizabeth Alice.
Born, March 20. Baptised, April 6 1873. John Hughes.
Baptised, Jan 17 1875. Benjamin Thomas.
Baptised, June 3 1877. Rachel Ann. ...........Died 1881
Oct 26 1879. Fred Kent.
Oct 1 1882. Robert.
Nov 11 1885 George Henry.

Are you sure Benjamin Roberts was born Bagillt? On his marriage to Fanny Foster in 1920 his age is 21(b 1899)& abode Wepre Drive (Connah's Quay)

On the 1901 census there is a Benjamin Roberts 7 mths with a father Edward & two older brothers, Henry J. 9. & Thomas E. 5. born Northop

Just a thought .

Paul.

Hi Paul,

Wow, that other 1901 census has thrown a spanner in the works!! I am totally confused! I have Benjamin Roberts and Fanny Foster Edwards's marriage certificate infront of me and it says they were married 21st February 1920 St Marks, Connah's Quay. It says Benjamin was 21 which would make his birth year 1899. He has Edward Roberts as his father (farm laborer). I don't have Benjamin's birth certificate and therefore don't really know his details.. I think the 1901 census you found is more likely than the one I found (where they were all born in Bagillt) although the age in this latest census you found Benjamin is only 7 months, which doesn't make sense if he was born in 1899 (does it??). The only thing I do know that my Mother told me was that Benjamin had two (older?) brothers that went to the war and were killed. Benjamin also served but returned home safely. I am not sure if he had older sisters etc? Mum says his birthday was 7th/8th March (year unknown)...

I'm sorry, my details are sketchy, my grandparents have both passed away and I reply on what my Mum can remember.

I will be able to fill in the blanks now with the information you gave regarding John & Elizabeth Parry's children.

Thanks so much for your help. 

[hanes teulu]

Shea,

My post mentioned the marriage of William Henry Povall and that there was an Elizabeth Edwards on the same page. On the 1891 Census Henry Povall's wife= Elizabeth, confirming he married Elizabeth Edwards (she was the only Elizabeth on the page).
The deduction is that George, age 16, is Elizabeth's Povall's son by an earlier marriage when she was known as Edwards .This is reinforced by Paul's latest post with details of George's marriage in 1898 (Father = William Edwards, Labourer).
FreeBMD has the marriage of William Edwards and Elizabeth Price, March 1873,Chester 8a  515 - could be George's parents?

Re the other Census details, William T Edwards is a joiner in the 1881 Census. Might be what started George off in the trade?

regards