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Re: Offord's of King's Lynn 1893
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 10 June 10 13:47 BST (UK) »
Thank you Ivan ;D
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Re: Offord's of King's Lynn 1893
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 10 June 10 14:22 BST (UK) »
Still cant find any of them pre 1901 ::)
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Re: Offord's of King's Lynn 1893
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 10 June 10 15:01 BST (UK) »
Need help please ;)

The only possible Father Robert, Carman , for George I can find is;
Robert OFFORD, born c 1837, Sudbury, Suffolk.

1881 Census he is a Coachman in Lewisham, London
RG11/735/107/39

1901 he is in Jarrow, Durham, Coachman, born Long Melford, Suffolk.
Wife Lucy is there and children that are not on the 1881 Census !!
RG13/4742/157/19

We are they all 1891?
Did he marry Lucy abt 1881 and have only those children?
Is he and possibly Lucy the Parent/Parents of George born c 1865, Norfolk?

Help I'm stuck and and/or completely off track with this Family ::)
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Re: Offord's of King's Lynn 1893
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 10 June 10 16:24 BST (UK) »
Hello Kirstie

Getting these was a bit of a struggle although they seem be worth following up:

1871
Hampden Road, Christchurch 
Payn(e), Launcelot, Head, 26, Ag. Lab., born Hampreston, Dorset 
Payn(e), Caroline, Wife, 30, born Paddington, Middlesex 
Payn(e), Caroline, Daughter, 5, Scholar, born Lambeth, Surrey 
Payn(e), Alice, Daughter, 2, born Isle of Wight, Hampshire 
Payn(e), Fanny, Daughter,  3(?) months, born Pokesdown, 
Hawkins, Alfred, Lodger, 28 born Dorset 

Births 4Q 1844   
Wimborne Vol. 8 Page 156
Payne, Lancellett Joseph   

1881
123, Livingstone Road, Hove 
Payne, Charles*, Head, Married, 37, Labourer (G), born Bournemouth, Hampshire
Payne, Caroline, Wife, Married, 40, born London, Middlesex 
Payne, Alice, Daughter, Single, 12, born Ryde, Isle of Wight, Hampshire 
Payne, Fanny, Daughter, Single, 10, born Bournemouth, Hampshire 
Payne, Minnie, Daughter, Single, 7, born Newport, Isle of Wight, Hampshire
Payne, Ellen, Daughter, Single, 5, born York Town, Surrey 
Grayson, Daniel, Lodger, Single, 62, Labourer (G) born Romsey, Hampshire 
Snelling, George, Lodger, Single, 22, Labourer (G) born Bognor, Sussex 
Harrison, Thos, Lodger, Single, 43, Labourer (G) born Hertford, Hertfordshire 
Harrison, George, Lodger, Single, 42, Labourer (G) born Hertford, Hertfordshire
Small, Samuel, Lodger, Single, 28, Labourer (G) born Devon 
Jones, George, Traveller, Single, 50, Labourer (G) born Durham   
RG11 Piece 1098 Folio 132 Page 58     

(*Note: I believe that the name “Charles” has been incorrectly entered on the census return. This seems to be the same family as 1871 and 1891)

1891 census
18, Caroline Road, Wimbledon 
Payne, Lancelot J, Head, Married, 48, Navvy Railway Ballast, born Wimborne, Dorset 
Payne, Caroline M, Wife, Married, 50, born Paddington, London 
Payne, Fanny Gertrude, Daughter, Single, 20, General Servant, born Bournemouth Hampshire 
RG12 Piece 605 Folio 109 Page 75     

Marriages 1Q 1866   
Lambeth Vol. 1d Page 361   
Downing, Elizabeth   
Lucas, John     
Payne, Lanceet     
Salter, Caroline M


Fanny and Ellen Payne feature in the 1911 census (both married by then) and have specific connections with the Offord children Florence and William which leads me to believe that although the marriage record for George and Minnie refers to Minnie’s father as being “Joseph” it seems probable that he was in fact “Lancelot Joseph”.

Just like Trish, I cannot trace definitively George Offord before 1901 although there are possibilities.

Regards

Ivan     

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Re: Offord's of King's Lynn 1893
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 10 June 10 16:33 BST (UK) »
Excellent work Ivan ;D
Back tomorrow night to see what can be found on the Offords.

Trish :)
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Re: Offord's of King's Lynn 1893
« Reply #14 on: Friday 11 June 10 08:35 BST (UK) »
Hi Kirstie,

I think if you want to go back with this line any further we need more info;
Where did you get the name Mildred Emma Payne from?

Trish :)
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Re: Offord's of King's Lynn 1893
« Reply #15 on: Monday 14 June 10 05:21 BST (UK) »
The name Mildred Emma Payne was on some information my aunty gave me and said it was Florence's mother. She was definitely married to George Offord and thats as far back as the Offord family line goes as we cant find any information. Thank you everyone for researching this for me.
ENGLAND: Fisher, Redhead, Banks, Offord
AUSTRALIA: Gaffey, Crane, Geale, Thompson
IRELAND: O'Dwyer

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Re: Offord's of King's Lynn 1893
« Reply #16 on: Monday 14 June 10 08:34 BST (UK) »
Hi again,
Could you ask your Aunty how she knows Mildred Emma was definitely married to George Offord.
Does she have;
Florences Birth Cert and her Marriage Cert ?.
George and Mildreds Marriage Cert?

If so please put up details including Witnesses.

I am not disputing that Florence was Christened to a George Offord and a Mildred Emma but at this stage we have no evidence that Mildreds maiden name she was Payne.
Minnie can be a abbreviation of Mildred also so they could have had Florence and not married til later.

The census info for Minnie that Ivan posted matches the info for for Minnie OFFORD with George in 1891.

Without a M/C for George it is impossible to find his Father.
The Marrriage info Ivan gave is definitely a possible .
George is a Widower so his Wife may have been alive still in 1893 when Florence was born and he was not free to marry til 1897.

Trish :)
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Re: Offord's of King's Lynn 1893
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 15 June 10 09:42 BST (UK) »
Hey everyone. Thanks for all the help on this topic. I have finally found all the information I wanted and yes, Mildred Emma Payne married George Offord.
ENGLAND: Fisher, Redhead, Banks, Offord
AUSTRALIA: Gaffey, Crane, Geale, Thompson
IRELAND: O'Dwyer