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Re: Samuel Baldrey - Hatfield
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 15 June 10 17:17 BST (UK) »
yes, the 1851 is what I based my earlier posts on.

somebody else has obviously been this route and submitted the LDS / IGI records based on the findings - pity they didnt have access to the GRO Index of marriages, or they would have quoted 1844 as the marriage - so probably 9 year old William is a child of one of the partners pre-marriage  - suspect Rebecca's ....

Interestingly in 1881/91 Samuel gets a bit younger and in one of those Census, quotes his PoB as St Albans. Poor Rebecca ends up paralysed it seems.

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Are the next steps yours, Keith?
Birth Cert for Samuel
Marriage Cert
then Birth Cert for Rebekah X (from M.Cert)?



There is no Birth Cert for Samuel, being pre-1837

Rebecca's Maiden name is shown earlier as McGhee, again being born pre-1837 there will be no Birth Cert.

The only real use for the Marriage Cert will be to verify Sam's father as Joshua.

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Re: Samuel Baldrey - Hatfield
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 16 June 10 09:27 BST (UK) »
M,


Thanks for the information.



Keith
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Re: Samuel Baldrey - Hatfield
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 16 June 10 11:29 BST (UK) »
Another link also in another 1844 Marriage, same District, a Rebekah Baldrey marries a Malcolm Mcghee ...

Marriages Mar 1844   
 
ANGELL  William    Caxton  14 37   
BALDREY  Rebekah     Caxton &c  14 37   
GIDDINGS  Mary     Caxton & c  14 37   
MCGHEE  Isabel     Caxton &c  14 37   
MCGHEE  Malcolm     Caxton &c  14 37   
MERRY  John     Caxton  14 37   

They can be seen as a couple in the 1851 census in Warks, Salford.

HO107; Piece: 2075; Folio: 555; Page: 22 Salford, Alcester / Studley Regn District

Malcolm is also a Schoolteacher, born Ely - his Rebekah is born Hertford

So I suspect she and your Samuel are siblings, as are the McGhees !

Malcolms siblings Charles (School teacher) and Mary are visiting.



Strange that these people (McGhees and Baldreys) cant be seen in the 1841 census!

 

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Re: Samuel Baldrey - Hatfield
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 17 June 10 08:20 BST (UK) »
M,

It is very interesting indeed.

Thank you for the update.




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Re: Samuel Baldrey - Hatfield
« Reply #13 on: Monday 06 September 10 05:28 BST (UK) »
Hello Keith!  I've been searching and researching the Baldrey line for about ten years and have quite a bit of info.  My lineage is related to yours as my GGGG father is also Joshua Kirby Baldrey. MY GGG is John Marshall Baldrey, brother to Samuel Kirby Baldrey.  I know very little about SKB and woud be interested in your findings about decendents.  I'm sure you've already perused the Baldrey Geneology Website  -  http://www.art-science.com/Baldry/pp/h16.html.  Joshua Kirby Baldrey was a well know artist and engraver in Cambridge and the web is a rich source of images of some of his work.

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Re: Samuel Baldrey - Hatfield
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 09 September 10 12:17 BST (UK) »
Marge,

Thank you for getting in touch with me, I am so glad that you did.

The Baldrey family are on my mothers side of the family.
Up until a year ago my mother did not know too much about her family history.

Instead of me trying to list all the information I have.   I have attached one jpeg file with part of my mother's tree.    I know that there is a link to your Baldrey family tree. 

I will be visiting her this sunday she will be so pleased, I am slowly piecing together her history.  I started off 1 year ago with just half an A3 sheet.

I hope that you will be able to view them.

I hope to hear from you soon.

Regards
Keith
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Re: Samuel Baldrey - Hatfield
« Reply #15 on: Monday 13 September 10 05:29 BST (UK) »
Thanks for your post, Keith.  I am incuding here some of the info on the Baldrey line:
Lionel Baldrie – 1666-?
Currently the earliest identified Baldrey ancestor is Lionel Baldrie, a carpenter, (spelling of Baldrie varies), who was baptized on January 3, 1666 or 1667 in Framlingham. He married Margaret.  At least four children were born to this union: Anne Baldrie, baptized December 29, 1690; Lionel Baldrie, baptized March 16, 1693 or 4 in Framlingham and married to Mary; Francis Baldrie, baptized March 4, 1698 and married to Mary Crisp on October, 17, 1721; and Elizabeth Baldrie, baptized August 5, 1705.

It may be that Lionel Baldrey was also in the painting business.  In her book, Royal Arms in Churches: The Artists and Craftsmen, Rosemary Pardoe lists a Lionel Baldrey as such a craftsman:
Baldrey, Lionel: Painter.
Metfield (Suffolk). Churchwardens' Accounts for 1715 record a payment of £8.00.00 to "Lionel Baldrey of framlingham for new painting The Kings Armes drawing ye Ten Commandments and ye Lord's Prayer and the Beliefe and ye frames and setting them up".

Elizabeth Baldrie – 1705-?
Elizabeth had an illegitimate son, Andrew Baldrey, baptized September, 26, 1726 in Framlingham.  The father was Andrew Rankin. 

Andrew Baldrey – 1726-1802
Andrew was married at St. Margaret’s Church in Ipswich in 1754 as evidenced by marriage bans recorded there:
Bans of Andrew Baldrey, of this parish, singleman, and Mary Semmons, of this parish, spinster, were called on 24th & 31st March and 7th April 1754.
 

Joshua Kirby Baldrey:   on the 23rd of March 1756, he was baptized in St Margaret's church, Ipswich, the son of Andrew and Mary Baldrey. 
        Joshua Kirby Baldrey   baptized, 23, March 1756
        Mary            baptized 21st September 1757
        John             baptized ?? June 1757
        Susanna       baptized ?? March 1761
                Married John Acfield, 1781, Ipswich St Margaret
                Ran Crown Inn carriage house in Coddenham.
        Elizabeth     baptized 24th August 1763
        Robert         baptized 9th April 1765
        Anne           baptized 4th August 1767, and finally,
        Sarah           baptized 29th May 1769


Andrew Baldrey lived and worked in Ipswich as an apprentice and later partner then owner of a house and coach-painting business.  He apparently was also an engraver and artist of some merit. He was closely affiliated with John Joshua Kirby and with Thomas Gainsborough, an artist of considerable stature of that period.

Joshua Kirby Baldrey 1754-1828
It is highly probable that Joshua Kirby Baldrey (JKB) was named after his father’s friend and business partner, Joshua Kirby, who was JKB’s godfather.  It is evident that he grew up in the company of artists with whom his father associated. The family business involved painting, engraving and publishing.  Little information is available about his early years.   There is evidence that he was married prior to the marriage to Mary Copsey in 1808 in which he is listed as a widower. As noted below, his first wife died in September, 1806. The burial records of the church, St Mary The Great, shows the burial of an Elizabeth Baldrey, age 42, on 14 Sept 1806. This may possibly be JKB’s first wife. There is also reference to a son, John, in the article by Batchly.  Another notation states that a daughter, Sarah, was witness to JKB’s second marriage.

JKB and Mary Copsey Baldrey had eleven children between 1808 and 1823.
Baptized in the Church of St Mary the Great in Cambridge
1. Mary Copsey Baldrey was baptized on 12/20/1808;   died 1885
2. Joshua Copsey Baldrey, 7/15/1810   d 1857
3. Elizabeth Parsons Baldrey, 9/9/1811 (note: Eliz may be the daughter of Thomas Baldrey rather than JKB)
 The rest of the children were all baptized on the same day, May, 1829, in Hatfield, Hertsfordshire:  This information is from the Hatfield Parish register:
4. Anne, born 3/3/1813, baptized 5/3/1829
5. Martha, 12/9/1814, baptized 5/3/1829
6. John Marshall, born 12/16/1816 baptized 5/10/1829
7. Susannah, born 12/1817 baptized 5/3/1829
8. Joseph Deighton 12/1817 baptized 5/10/1829
9. Ruth, born 12/1819, baptized 5/3/1829
10. Rebecca, born 11/14/1821   baptized 5/3/1829
11. Samuel Kirby.12/26/1823 baptized 5/10/1829 
Burial register at Hatfield parish lists the 1/20/1826 burial of Stephen Baldrey, Wild Hill, Hatfield, aged 2 years.  He may be the 11th child rather than Elizabeth Parsons Baldrey.



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Re: Samuel Baldrey - Hatfield
« Reply #16 on: Monday 13 September 10 10:53 BST (UK) »
Marge,

This is all very interesting.

What is even more interesting.

My side of the family, Hearn, all came from Framlingham and Kettleburgh.

You have provided so much detail.

My mum is very pleased.

Regards
Keith Hearn
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Re: Samuel Baldrey - Hatfield
« Reply #17 on: Friday 05 September 14 19:35 BST (UK) »
I am descended from Agnes Jane Baldrey, daughter of John Marshall Baldrey born 1816 to Joshua Kirby Baldrey and married to Jane Lyons. Agnes was their eldest child and she married Charles Fuller. they had  children and it was Mary Agnes who was my great grandmother. She was a dancer and her stage name was Trixie Shields. According to great aunt Agnes who wrote to my mother, Joshua Kirby Baldrey had 3 wives. He had quite a few children by his first wife, none by the second, Elizabeth Parsons,  and those by Mary Copsey are well documented. Would love to find out more on first one.