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Re: "Died at HOME" Service Record
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 17 June 10 20:58 BST (UK) »
Hi all
I came across this rather sad picture a couple of days ago. "Gone but not forgoten", not this one it seems, grave location is Telgarth (mental) Hospital.
  Just for the heck of it I have gathered quite a bit of info. 
Name: John Lewis
Birth Place: Swansea
Death Date: 20 Oct 1915
Death Location: Home
Enlistment Location: Swansea
Rank: Private
Regiment: Welsh Regiment
Battalion: 1/6th Battalion


I can not however find his Service Records on Ances*ry.  This is a problem I have had in the past with othe "Died at Homes".  Has anyone else had this problem and found a way round it.

Cheers
peter


Peter, I've just noticed that you've got the wrong medal card; the one you've posted is for an L.J. Jones who was discharged in 1918.

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Re: "Died at HOME" Service Record
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 17 June 10 21:20 BST (UK) »
Is it just a trick of the light, but his grave stone seems to say that he died in 1915, but his Medal Index Card says he was discharged in March 1918. 

The grave-stone seems to be wrong.

A mental hospital cemetery.  A very sad story attached to this, I suspect.

Edit;  see my next post below.

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Re: "Died at HOME" Service Record
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 17 June 10 21:47 BST (UK) »
There is another lone CWGC grave on the site of the former Banstead Mental Hospital, although better cared for, it is isolated on private property.

See post 9 and 16-24 of the thread:

http://www.rootschat.com/links/08ye/

A picture here:

http://www.rootschat.com/links/08yf/

Phil


Sussex: Satcher (Hamsey) and Gatton (East Grinstead)
Leicestershire: Pratt
South Wales: Evans (Neath)
Poland: Gonet, Deren

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Re: "Died at HOME" Service Record
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 17 June 10 21:53 BST (UK) »
And without wishing to hijack your thread, the two pictures below are of CWGC graves, three plots apart, in the same cemetery, Ladywell, in the London Borough of Lewisham.

In case you are having trouble reading one of them, this is his CWGC entry:

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=385211

Phil



Sussex: Satcher (Hamsey) and Gatton (East Grinstead)
Leicestershire: Pratt
South Wales: Evans (Neath)
Poland: Gonet, Deren

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Re: "Died at HOME" Service Record
« Reply #13 on: Friday 18 June 10 16:16 BST (UK) »
Hi all
I came across this rather sad picture a couple of days ago. "Gone but not forgoten", not this one it seems, grave location is Telgarth (mental) Hospital.
  Just for the heck of it I have gathered quite a bit of info. 
Name: John Lewis
Birth Place: Swansea
Death Date: 20 Oct 1915
Death Location: Home
Enlistment Location: Swansea
Rank: Private
Regiment: Welsh Regiment
Battalion: 1/6th Battalion


I can not however find his Service Records on Ances*ry.  This is a problem I have had in the past with othe "Died at Homes".  Has anyone else had this problem and found a way round it.

Cheers
peter


Peter, I've just noticed that you've got the wrong medal card; the one you've posted is for an L.J. Jones who was discharged in 1918.

The Numbers match, ie 2940, so how does that work.  I must admit I am no expert, in fact far from it.  Could it be a mix up with the names and 241133 belongs to the guy who died in 1918 ??? ???
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Re: "Died at HOME" Service Record
« Reply #14 on: Friday 18 June 10 18:51 BST (UK) »
I'm no expert either, but I'm pretty sure that the 4 digit number - 2940 - is a pre-war regular or territorial army number and the longer number looks like one issued to serving men in , I think, late 1916 or early 1917, when every soldier was re-numbered as a rationalisation of the issue of soldiers' numbers. If that is the case, then there is a problem with this.

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Re: "Died at HOME" Service Record
« Reply #15 on: Friday 18 June 10 19:36 BST (UK) »
Peter,

The original medal index card you posted was for Lewis J. Lewis and it gave his pre and post-1917 renumbering. The six-digit number indicates that at the time he was with 5th Battalion.

There would have been a 2940 allotted to each of the four Territorial battalions. Plus, at some point, there would have been a Regular with that number.

If your man had survived he would have had a number in the batch 265001 to 290000.

As there does not seem to be a medal index card for him, it is possible that he did not serve overseas. Although 1/6th Battalion landed in Le Havre 29/10/14, he may not have been with the first line at the time. Alternatively SDGW may be wrong and he was with 2/6th or 3/6th. I notice that it does not have the facility to select anything other than first line.

Phil

Sussex: Satcher (Hamsey) and Gatton (East Grinstead)
Leicestershire: Pratt
South Wales: Evans (Neath)
Poland: Gonet, Deren

Forest Row: War Memorial and Camp WW1
Lewisham War Memorials & WW1 Graves

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Re: "Died at HOME" Service Record
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 26 June 10 13:09 BST (UK) »
Peter,

 The grave you have  found is indeed a man of the 6th Welsh Regt.

I have no record of his death apart from what is on CWGC. All I can assume is that he was would in the field and taken home to recover, the few weeks beofe his death the 6th Welsh were in the trenches most of the time working around SPANBROUKE MOLEN & THE BLACK REDPUBT.

listed below is from the War Diary of the  about 2 weeks prior to his death, the unit suffered almost daily casualties of men killed by shell fire, and the latter part of 1915 the 'Sniper' was a real killer for  troops woking in the trenches.

I am trying to obtain pictures of all the 6th Welsh Graves in France, Belgium and UK, and this one has been on my hit list for a while.

If anybody is interesdted I have a small 'potted history' of the 6th Welsh I will be happy to pass on to  any who are interested, it is about 8 pages on A4, drop me a line with e-mail address and will send on.

Simon

Sept. 8 1915 - Evidently the enemy have a good
supply of Stem Engines because
another one was reported working in
the same place this morning.
They are apparently making
SPANBROUKE MOLEN into a REDOUBT.
Very little is actually happening
but there seems just that stir
in the air that  heralds big things.

September 9th 1915
Today we shelled the BLACK REDOUBT
with High Explosives, with good
outward results, a good deal of their
parapet was knocked down
and judging from the amount
of earth etc, that has been
churned up from these, some
mess was made inside.
C + D Coys releived, A + B Coys.
in the trenches. The whole
relief was completed by 9 . 30 PM
this is the record to date.
Lt Frisby came back from leave
& Lt Langer went on leave.
The work in the trenches at the
present time chiefly consists
of  refacing the parapet &
digging shell trenches & repairing
the firing platform, some
drainage was also done.
A patrol of ours last night
reported that they could hear
the enemy drive stakes of timber
in houses West of E1, in the
gully where fire is always seen.
No working party are visible.


Sept. 10 1915 - Shell trenches are being
dug with great activity, also
General repairs are  everywhere
being executed.
Troops were seen passing
through WYCHEATE just at dusk
their progress was estimated
+ they were shelled.
The enemy continues to fortify
SPANIBOOKE MOULIN and  to reparing
the whole of the front line
trenches generally.

Sept. 11 1915 - The permanent men on the
Communication trenches are doing
good work + having finished
PALL MALL are now busy with
REGENT STREET in which they have
dug  a drain & relayed boards
for a  distance about 100 yards.
The same work in the
fire trenches continues today
as yesterday. A patrol
examined the enemy's wire
yesterday which they reported
as good work no gaps.
Some fresh wire has been
placed near this extended sap
in front of E2.

Sept... 12 1915 - We  shelled the BLACK
REDOUBT again today both with
heavy + high explosive shells
and fairly knocked the place
about. The enemy started
with whizz bangs, one of which
set the Old Farm + Haystack on
fire behind S.P.8, a Machine
Gun + rifle fire was directed
on the  camouflage position which
prevented  communication to S. P. 8
so another trench was started
skirting the farm.
A working party was observed
placing wire around this
extended sap in front of
F2 a little rapid fire from
the garrison of 3 bays assited
by a machine gun traversing
over the parapet was used
+ the  work was not further
Proceeded with during the night.
A mountain gun and some
Trench Mortars pourded explosives
into the ruined houses in front
of E2,  to one very large
explosion, it is thought that
an ammunition store was
hit. These houses are now
raised to the ground.
Our snipers observed an enemy
MG emplacement about 100 yards
NW of SPANBROUKE MOULEN.
Working party seen steam
pump working discharging some
 water + steam this morning, alongside
the houses we shelled, the night before.
Lt Frisby took over the transport
+ Lt Davies went in to the trenches.

Sept. 13 1915 - Nothing to report.

Sept. 14 1915 - The work of repairing the
parapet + completing the shell
trenches is still in progress. 
In E7  nearly five new dugouts are completed.
A party working on the
C. T to S.P.8. have finished
the line at an average depth of three feet.
An enemy working party seen
40 yards  North of SPANBROUKE MOULIN
large peices of timber being
laid in the trench, the Artillery
were informed + operations
stopped. Heavy artillery put
7 shells right on  to BLACK
REDOUBT. Enemy making small
saps, just in front of SPANBROUKE
MOULEN, it is  thought they intend
to join up to extended saps
in front of F2.

15 Sept... 1915 - The work of drainage and refacing
Is continuing, & satisfactory progress is being made.
Enemy have been  seen carrying
stakes + timbers that looks
like match boarding to a point
in their trench about 40 yards
NW of SPANBROUKE MOULEN. Our
Artillery dispersed them. The
fire in empty houses in front
of E2 is  surmised to be merely
a blind to hide the pump working
in the Sap  behind. A Trench
Mortar fired on these houses
with good effect.

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Re: "Died at HOME" Service Record
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 26 June 10 18:32 BST (UK) »
Found out some more info.

Husband of Mary Jane, of 8 Pant St, Danygraig, Swansea, age on death 47.

Simon