Solomon Potter & Phebe Banham

[Lalzovi]

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Thanks, will do.

Your welcome, I love the chase

When I have time I will look over your Soloman also

You have done awesome work, I don't know what to say. I've now got some cleaning up to do on my trees (Ancestry, recently uploaded to FS) and will get back to you if anything doesn't make sense to me. Can I ask where you obtained the baptism record for Phoebe (not birth reg - my mistake!) since nothing of the kind turned up for me? Would love to be able to find these things better.

So glad to be able to give Phoebe her surname back. I felt like she had been robbed!

[trish1120]

The image of the Bapt of Phoebe is on someones Tree on Ancestry,  as Faby.
I'm in Australia so dont have physical access to records,

I just searched Phoebe Banham born 1812 Norfolk and the image came up straight away.

Trish

[nanu]

I have a copy and when I get the opportunity will PM it to you

[Lalzovi]

Appears to be them in 1841 badly mistranscribed.
In Great Ellingham.

The image is Banham.

Robert Barnhouse, 50, Ag Lab
Elizabeth Barnhouse, 50
William Barnhouse, 20, Carpenter
Sarah Barnhouse, 15
Eliza Barnhouse, 14

Baptism;
15 Jul 1827, St James, Great Ellingham
WILLIAM/ELIZA/SARAH ANNE Banham
Parents ROBERT/ELIZABETH
Father a Labourer
Note on Baptism of William;

No Age Given But Word Aged Written Between Name And Son Of

Burials;
St Mary, Attlenorough
ROBERT Banham 12 Oct 1853 age 65
ELIZABETH Banham 19 Sep 1870 age 79

1861 Census
William Banham, 38, Carpenter
Frances Banham, 42, Wife
Elizabeth Banham, 69, Mother
George Banham, 12, Nephew

There is a Bapt 1849 for George, Mother ELIZA

1851 we have;
Sarah Ann Banham, 26
Eliza Banham, 24
George R Banham, 2
Mary A Banham, 5 mths


All on FreeREG

Thanks again, my tree is looking so much cleaner now.

There is some difficulty with the children of Robert and Elizabeth when we look at the christenings.

Phoebe christened 1812, Banham
Mary Ann christened 1815, Watton
Jane christened 1816, Watton
Edward christened 1820, Watton
Jane christened 29 March 1822, Watton
William christened 26 May 1822, New Buckenham (non-conformist)
Humphrey christened 26 May 1822, New Buckenham (non-conformist)
William christened 1827, Great Ellingham
Sarah christened 1827, Great Ellingham
Eliza christened 1827, Great Ellingham

The New Buckenham kids could look like they are from another couple, except that William's date matches so well with the later census mentioned by Trish of a William aged 20 in 1841, and the name Humphrey seems so obviously to come from Elizabeth's maiden name. If all but the New Buckenhams are from other parents, then what do we do with the 1841 census which has Sarah and Eliza as siblings at the correct ages? If William was christened twice (to me this is the most likely scenario), the second time in an Anglican church, then what do we do with Jane being christened in Watton just months before her brothers?

[Lalzovi]

I can't help but feel sad for my ggg grandfather George, son of Solomon. It seems he started out as a shoemaker, but moved to Shildon, Durham to become a miner. Then, saddest of all, the 1901 census lists him living alone as an old man working as a 'road scavenger'. I do wonder what put an end to his shoe-making. Did the rise in shoe factories drive down independent business?? I lived in Durham for 8 years and only got interested in my local family history towards the end of my stay - strange to think of them walking (scavenging!) the same streets, especially as the mining heritage is so alive there.

Regarding the Windetts, I agree that the youngest son Robert moved to Massachusetts. There is also a death record for Robert in 1905 listing Phoebe and Robert as the parents, born in England. The poor man died of cancer of the rectum... 

Regarding Noah - that's a good find. I found another Noah Banham born in Banham in 1803, with children sharing the same names Phoebe, George, Noah etc. The family eventually settled in Middlesex. I assume this Noah may be another sibling or nephew of Phoebe sr and Robert sr, but haven't found out yet.

Thanks for the FreeREG reference. Much to my shame, I have never come across it before. I paid for a short subscription on Ancestry years ago but am not quite able to give the necessary time to justify subscribing right now, so I recently uploaded to FS in the hope of finding sources easier. Looks like FreeREG will also be of great help.

[trish1120]

It is possible there are 2 couples.

The William in 1841 Census has his age rounded to the nearest 5 yrs.
His occp is a Carpenter.

In 1851/1861/1871 Census he is born 1823 Great Ellingham Norfolk.

So unless he was Bapt again in 1827 with his 2 siblings I think this may be another William;
William christened 26 May 1822, New Buckenham (non-conformist)

[trish1120]

These may belong to the couple below;
Mary Ann christened 1815, Watton
Jane christened 1816, Watton
Edward christened 1820, Watton
Jane christened 29 March 1822, Watton

Marriage;
17 Nov 1814 St Mary, Watton
Robert BANHAM, Widower***, to Elizabeth DUNNETT

On the Bapt of Mary Ann Banham 4 Jun 1815 her Father Roberts occp is a Glover*
Roberts 1st Wife appears to be Jemima nee Upcraft from Bapt's of earlier children in Watton
Jemima Banham was buried 13 Nov 1813 age 36.

Info from FreeREG

[Lalzovi]

Ah yes, it did occur to me later that the Watton christenings were a separate couple. Good to have an ID for their parents. But if that's so, that creates a huge gap between Phoebe's christening and her siblings. Might there be three Robert+Elizabeths?? Going back to check the records again to see if it was Elizabeth Humphrey in all of them. But with a name like Humphrey Banham, it would be hard to believe the non-conformist christenings are not hers.

[trish1120]

Yes I agree the non conformist baptisms may be theirs.
Other than Phoebes Bapt they seem to like Bapt the children in batches and ages are not given on them.