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Gordon Kirkmichael Tomintoul
« on: Saturday 03 July 10 19:29 BST (UK) »
Hello all

One of my ancestors is Ann Gordon.

Scotland's People OPR comes up with her marriage as follows:

Parish of Kirkmichael and Tomintoul
James Fleming, Grange, Keppoch & Ann Gordon, St Bridget both parties in this Parish were married 10th January 1833

Her death certificate says her father was Charles Gordon (farmer) and her mother was Jessie Gordon (MS Cameron).

Census returns mostly record that she was born in Kirkmichael around 1813 . The family were Roman Catholic.

The problem is that the Charles Gordon who lived at St Bridget's (at that time) married Elspet Stuart in 1816 and had a daughter Lillas (Lillias). No reference to a daughter named Ann or a previous wife.

Any ideas anyone?


 
Devon: Sloman & Parsons
Banffshire: McGregor & Ogg
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Re: Gordon Kirkmichael Tomintoul
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 03 July 10 20:52 BST (UK) »
Few things to consider:

1) who signed the death certificate for Ann?

it is not unknown and indeed can happen often, that person signing made a mistake in the details they gave.

2) 1841 Census does indeed have Charles and Elspet as most likely group. Lillias on that would seem to have a twin.....did you find his record too? Charles and Elspet are close in age, so, although not impossible for it to be otherwise, more likely that this is a first marriage.


3) There is a younger Charles Gordon in the Kirkmichael area in 1841, in a household where there are Camerons too......may be nothing, but might do no harm to look at that one too.

4) Did you rule out that James Fleming's mum might have been a Jessie Cameron - have seen instances on death certificates where the husband's mother's name was inadvertently given instead of the wife's mother's name.
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Re: Gordon Kirkmichael Tomintoul
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 03 July 10 20:54 BST (UK) »
A twin for Lillas? Where did you find that?
Devon: Sloman & Parsons
Banffshire: McGregor & Ogg
Census information is Crown Copyright  http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: Gordon Kirkmichael Tomintoul
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 03 July 10 20:58 BST (UK) »
I don't trust the death cert entirely - it was registered by her son in law and he was pretty elderly himself.

Her marriage entry definitely says she was Ann Gordon from St Bridgets (which was a farm owned by Gordons) and most census returns say she was born in Kirkmichael around 1813 ish.
Devon: Sloman & Parsons
Banffshire: McGregor & Ogg
Census information is Crown Copyright  http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk


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Re: Gordon Kirkmichael Tomintoul
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 03 July 10 21:00 BST (UK) »
...over the page.....Charles Gordon, age 22....apparently same household.
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Re: Gordon Kirkmichael Tomintoul
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 03 July 10 21:01 BST (UK) »
Yes I wondered if the entry on the death certificate for her mother was in fact her mother in law, who was a Janet Cameron.
Devon: Sloman & Parsons
Banffshire: McGregor & Ogg
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Re: Gordon Kirkmichael Tomintoul
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 03 July 10 21:02 BST (UK) »
...over the page.....Charles Gordon, age 22....apparently same household.
That's the daughter Lillas's husband
Devon: Sloman & Parsons
Banffshire: McGregor & Ogg
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Re: Gordon Kirkmichael Tomintoul
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 03 July 10 21:03 BST (UK) »
...aha...so the m-i-l was a Cameron......well, quite poss Janet was known as Jessie.
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Re: Gordon Kirkmichael Tomintoul
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 03 July 10 21:04 BST (UK) »
...I was looking at a transcript, so didn't see relationship. So, husband....then a Gordon married a Gordon?
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