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Re: Struggling to find a maiden name.
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 15 July 10 14:43 BST (UK) »
Theres a Louisa Collins on 81 census b 1867 at Fishermans Anger Wilts (Alderbury) where ever that is.This age would tally with the 1891 census age.
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Re: Struggling to find a maiden name.
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 15 July 10 14:45 BST (UK) »
This could be a different explanation.

The census actually shows she was born in Upper Chute, Wiltshire.  I searched on the 1871 census for a Louise born in Upper Chute and found Ellen Louise Large, born Chute, Wiltshire in 1867.  There is a birth of an Ellen L Large registered in Andover in September 1866.  If you search for Upper Chute on Google, it is in the Andover district, so that is probably the correct person.

However, I cannot find a marriage to Edmund Webster.  The chances are they weren't married.  My g.grandparents in 1911 said they had been married for 28 years, which conveniently took them to the year  before my gran was born, but no-one has ever found a marriage for them.

Buying a birth certificate won't necessarily help as on my gran's birth certificate, her mother gives her maiden name, then her previous married name (the husband apparently drowned at sea) and then her "new married name" which was obviously the same as her "new husband".

By the way, Ellen Louise's father was a Richard Sheppard Large.  You can find him in Purton, Wiltshire in 1851 with his parents etc. 1861 with his wife and children (pre Ellen Louise birth) and on the 1871 census when they had moved to Hertfordshire. 

I think Richard may have died before 1871, as on the 1881 census his wife is shown as a widow and a farmer, living back in Wiltshire.  Richard had been a corn dealer so probably wealthy enough for his wife to buy a farm of 60 acres.  I can't find Ellen Louise in 1881 though.

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Re: Struggling to find a maiden name.
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 15 July 10 14:54 BST (UK) »
pity the other thread was locked - much more informative :P

Lou* Collins isnt showing up in 1871 associated with Chute (or Upper Chute as per 1911) - see next posting

but she uses it as her PoB in the 1881, and then we see the 1889 marriage to Edmund Webster in Sussex.

Chute was in the Andover Regn District until April, 1880.

This is the only Louisa Collins born in Wilts 1861 - 1869

Births Mar 1866
 
COLLINS Louisa Andover 2c 221


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Re: Struggling to find a maiden name.
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 15 July 10 15:02 BST (UK) »
That sounds good Mort. 

I agree about the other thread being locked.  I'd typed out all my info (which may not be correct) and then found I couldn't post because the thread was locked.  I had to go back to Forum, to find out why it had been locked.

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Re: Struggling to find a maiden name.
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 15 July 10 15:08 BST (UK) »
Ah, transcribed Callan in 1871

RG10; Piece: 1244; Folio: 7; Page: 3 - between Chute Clanden and Upper Chute, Wilts. 'Thickett'

all state born Chute, Wilts.
 
John Collins 35 Head of Household Agricultural Labourer
Jane Collins 34 Wife
John Collins 13 son
Emma Collins 11 dau
William Collins 9 son
Louisa Collins 5 dau
Mary A Collins 2 dau


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It also says Louise was born in 1862 in Wilts Upper Church.

Now seems that should be 'Upper Chute'  :)

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Re: Struggling to find a maiden name.
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 15 July 10 15:40 BST (UK) »

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Re: Struggling to find a maiden name.
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 15 July 10 16:11 BST (UK) »
Heres Louisa not much help though

RG12 2639/39/16
Woolpack Street,Clarborough,Moorgate,East Retford Notts

Louisa Webster 24 married charwoman b Chute,Wilts
Minnie 10 dau scholar b North Cray Kent
Florrie 9 dau ditto b ditto
Helly 7 dau ditto b ditto

Looks like she was either married before or had the children before she married

I dont think this is the right Louise. On 1911 Census its says they had a total of 4 children (3 living and one died). As i know from that same census she had a daughter nora and 2 sons harold and herbert, that only leaves the one child who died. I f they had have had minnie florrie and helly the amount of children would be at least 6.

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Re: Struggling to find a maiden name.
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 15 July 10 16:29 BST (UK) »
The 1911 census asks for details of children born to the present marriage.

As Edmund was married previously to his marriage with Louisa, children of that marriage would not be included in the answer to that question.
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Re: Struggling to find a maiden name.
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 15 July 10 16:31 BST (UK) »
Exactly.


Also look at your other thread - worked independantly of this one and reached the same conclusion that she was indeed ne้ COLLINS.